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What these jackasses in the EU fail to realize is a lot of intellectual property ("IP") is developed in Israel, and this IP is put in products that are made elsewhere.

For example, many integrated circuits are invented in Israel, and then made in Taiwan.

These EU idiots are too stupid to know this.


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Banshee, it's one thing to be blind, but it's something else when you willingly gouge out your own eyes, which seems to be what you've done. You can forget about trying to convince us that there is nothing wrong with this action by the un-elected EU assholes, and I am tiring of your incessant defense of all the bad shit happening in Europe right now.
 
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And in other Israel-Bashing news today right here on our own soil:

https://freebeacon.com/issues/...-06644c240c-46532877

California Introduces Radical Anti-Semitic High School Curriculum

Outrage in Jewish, pro-Israel community after anti-Israel activists hijack curriculum

Adam Kredo - August 12, 2019 11:00 AM

The state of California has introduced "blatantly anti-Semitic and anti-Israel" lessons into its official high school curriculum, drawing outrage and concern in the state's Jewish and pro-Israel communities, according to multiple sources involved in the controversy.

The California Department of Education is facing backlash after permitting a host of anti-Israel activists to build a statewide educational curriculum that demonizes the Jewish state and is said to be fostering hatred of Jewish and Israeli-American students, sources said.

Already, 83 pro-Israel and anti-discrimination organizations have petitioned the state's education department to reform its Ethnic Studies Model Curriculum (ESMC) to remove multiple instances of what they say is anti-Semitic and anti-Israel bias.

Multiple sources involved in the fight have described to the Washington Free Beacon anti-Semitic courses that they say are fostering an unsafe environment for Jewish and Israeli-American students. Further information obtained by the Free Beacon reveals that several of the educators involved in pushing the new curriculum have a history of anti-Israel activism that has often spilled into anti-Semitic territory.

"We are aware that many individuals and groups affiliated with the Jewish community have already written to you about the ESMC's shocking omission of information about American Jews and anti-Semitism, its use of classic anti-Semitic stereotypes, and its blatant anti-Israel bias," a coalition of 83 pro-Israel organizations led by the AMCHA Initiative, a watchdog group that combats anti-Semitism in America, wrote to California's Education Department.

"This includes the California Legislative Jewish Caucus, who wrote to you that they ‘cannot support a curriculum that erases the American Jewish experience, fails to discuss anti-Semitism, reinforces negative stereotypes about Jews, singles out Israel for criticism and would institutionalize the teaching of anti-Semitic stereotypes in our public schools,'" the groups wrote.

The curriculum, the organizations claim, is the result of an effort by several leading educators who have expressed both anti-Israel and anti-Semitic viewpoints.

"The anti-Jewish, anti-Israel bias of the proposed ESMC curriculum—including its implicit portrayal of Jews and Israel as part of ‘interlocking systems of oppression and privilege' and its endorsement of the anti-Israel Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement as a form of ‘direct action' or ‘resistance' that students are encouraged to engage in—clearly exposes the politically motivated and directed nature of the curriculum and its drafters," the organizations wrote.

"Not surprisingly, more than one-quarter of the Model Curriculum Advisory Committee members, appointed by the State Board of Education to draft the ESMC, have publicly expressed animus towards Israel and its supporters, with some members openly supporting BDS," the letter states. "There is no doubt that these committee members have unconscionably used the state-mandated curriculum as a tool for politically indoctrinating California's high school students with anti-Israel propaganda and encouraging them to engage in political activism against the Jewish state."

Shoham Nicolet, head of the Israel American Council, an organization working to oppose the curriculum and expose those behind it, told the Free Beacon that California's small, tightknit Israeli-American community is concerned that this curriculum will foster anti-Semitism in the state's schools.

"As immigrants of this country, we're looking at a curriculum that will discriminate based on ethnic backgrounds," Nicolet said.

After researching the educators behind the new curriculum, Nicolet said he was "surprised to find out that you have people who are … supporters of BDS publicly."

The global BDS movement has been described not just by pro-Israel leaders but also by many members of Congress as an anti-Semitic movement that seeks to wage economic warfare on Israel and Jewish citizens.

"It's odd that a professional committee that's supposed to have an impact on the education of millions of kids in California in public school and is funded by taxpayers is so biased," Nicolet said. "How come the BDS movement is part of what is supposed to be allowed in classrooms in California?"

Public research materials viewed by the Free Beacon reveal that several committee members behind California Department of Education's Draft Ethnic Studies Model Curriculum are outspoken critics of Israel.

One member, Samia Shoman, is a Palestinian-American who teaches in the San Mateo Union High District. Her lesson plans on Palestinian history have been featured as a teaching tool by the Qatar Foundation International, a group tied to the nation and its efforts to proliferate boycotts of Israel. Shoman is also a pro-Palestinian activist on Twitter.

Another committee member, Gaye Theresa Johnson, an associate professor at UCLA college of social sciences, also has supported pro-Palestinian causes on Twitter, including retweets from pro-Iran individuals who have deemed Tehran as the victim in the ongoing nuclear standoff with the United States.

A third committee member, Theresa Montaño, a professor at California State University, Northridge, has publicly supported the BDS movement and advocates for Israeli scholars to be boycotted in the United States. Montaño also signed a 2009 letter to then-president Barack Obama that was organized by one of the globe's most prominent BDS organizations.

Masha Merkulova, founder and executive director of Club Z, a Bay Area organization that fosters commitment to Israel, told the Free Beacon that the effort to promote this one-sided curriculum should worry all Americans.

"If we allow this to happen, California's children are going to be indoctrinated in intolerance and hate," Merkulova said. "This is our flashpoint … this ethnic studies curriculum is infused with Jew hatred. Let's call it for what it is, anti-Semitism. Our Department of Education has put bigoted people in charge of writing a curriculum that is supposed to promote inclusivity and tolerance."

"This is an attempt to make anti-Semitism institutional," she said. "This is what the kids are going to learn as part of normal things they learn."

Adam Kredo is senior writer reporting on national security and foreign policy matters for the Washington Free Beacon. An award-winning political reporter who has broken news from across the globe, Kredo’s work has been featured in the Wall Street Journal, the Weekly Standard, Commentary Magazine, the Drudge Report, and the Jerusalem Post, among many others. His Twitter handle is @Kredo0. His email address is kredo@freebeacon.com.




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Banshee, it's one thing to be blind, but it's something else when you willingly gouge out your own eyes, which seems to be what you've done. You can forget about trying to convince us that there is nothing wrong with this action by the un-elected EU assholes, and I am tiring of your incessant defense of all the bad shit happening in Europe right now.


First, the source this thread is based on is the Free Beacon. This is the hot air generator masquerading as a news site which first enlisted the outfit for opposition research that later produced the Steele Dossier. Back before that they were ejaculating about Russian submarines and aircraft crossing through "US strategic waters" whenever they came within 200 miles of the American coast. When they are telling me to believe them rather than my own lying eyes, I'm going with the latter anytime.

Second, unless you are referring to the European Court which the article is about, and which is, well, a court, no body in the chain of origin for the - nonsensical, granted - guideline in question is unelected. The body with legislative initiative in the EU is the Commission, its administrative branch. Its president is nominated by the Council, which resembles the US Senate pre-Seventeenth Amendment in the European system; it's made up of the (democratically elected) heads of governments of the member states. As in any parliamentary system, the (democratically elected) EU Parliament then elects the candidate, and confirms the Commission as a whole. Both the Parliament and Council also have to agree to legislation originating from the Commission. Basic bi-cameral legislative procedere.

There are definite democratic deficiencies in the EU system, mostly because the national governments are adverse to giving more rights to the supranational institutions like the Parliament. In fact the nomination process for the new Commission president after the recent European elections was a step back, through the Parliament's own fault; partisan interest prevented agreement on one of the candidates which had officially run for the post in the elections, and dropped the initiative the body had wrested from the Council five years ago back in the lap of the latter. But regardless, the old canard of the un-elected Eurocrats is no more true than for any system of government in the EU member states.

Generally, misconceptions exist, are readily believed and even purposefully stoked for political and financial gain, on either side of the Atlantic about the other. I'm being extra matter-of-factual around here because obviously I'm the fucking foreigner in this forum. I'd be less so myself if another European jumped in here and would vent typically European bullshit about the US on the same level as this. OTOH, I don't take it hard when people melt down in my face because they don' t like their misconceptions being busted. Since I quit my job in politics after the last national elections and that's no longer my bread and butter, I've become kinda Zen about it.

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EU's top court made their decision. Labeling must happen.

Are they friggin' nuts? Time for the EU to go pound sand.

https://www.foxnews.com/politi...-settlement-products

On Tuesday, the EU Court of Justice ruled that settlement products must provide an “indication of that provenance” to better inform consumers.


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That's fine. Go ahead and label these products. That way, I will know what to look for, and I can buy them.

Like this, for example. It is imported from Israel and can be found on the shelf in the ethnic food aisle of larger Publix stores (the smaller Publix stores do not stock as much of a selection, but they will get the product if you request it):



Most of the Publix stores carry the better known Manischevitz brand, nothing wrong with that, but it is made in the U.S.

If you want an Israeli brand, try the Yehuda.



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The German guy telling us this is all OK and how we are wrong about it is a bit ironic, nein?


 
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Well, the article is cute in its suggestiveness, but this is neither about "Jewish products" nor about the EU implementing new regulation. This is the European Court preparing to give an opinion on a case referred to it by France, brought by producers from the Israeli-occupied areas against French national legislation, which bases itself on a controversial EU guideline already introduced four years ago. Which doesn't say anything about "Jewish" products; goods from Israel proper are not affected. The issue is about products labeled "Made in Israel", but actually originating in the occupied areas.

From a point of international law, the issue is pretty clear. Even Israel itself doesn't claim most of those areas are its territory, except East Jerusalem which it has officially annexed. The Israeli supreme court has ruled in several cases that the rest are occupied areas under military authority. The problem is that Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention forbids an occupying power to settle its own citizens in such areas, which makes the Israeli settlements on the West Bank so controversial.

Now the reasoning behind the 2015 EU guideline was that consumers should be able to make an informed choice on products they want or don't want to buy for political reasons (see boycott of products from Apartheid-era South Africa, from France after Chirac's nuclear tests or during the whole Iraq controversy, etc.), and thus should not be deceived by false labels of origin. OTOH critics have pointed out that the EU doesn't apply the same care to other occupied areas like Tibet, Northern Cyprus and West Sahara, and a boycott in fact hurts Palestinian workers who are employed by Israeli producers in the occupied territories.

There's good reason to say that the guideline is virtue-signalling bullshit, not least since people critical enough of Israeli settlement policy for it to impact their consumers choices are likely to fall into the BDS range and not buy any products "Made in Israel" period. IIRC it was France which pushed for it, since they needed it for national legislation due to the EU's sole authority for European trade policy. I wouldn't know any other member state has introduced such rules, which would certainly have resulted in similar suits by producers. But this is the first I've heard of it in four years.

Assuming that this rationale was in fact true, would it not be more accurate to then identify the products as being made in Egypt, Syria, or the actual country of origin? Israeli colony still fails to identify the country of origin.


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Assuming that this rationale was in fact true, would it not be more accurate to then identify the products as being made in Egypt, Syria, or the actual country of origin? Israeli colony still fails to identify the country of origin.


I read around a little more when the reports about the ruling popped up this week, and in this case the EU has free trade agreements in place with both Israel and the Palestinian Authority, which is the internationally recognized quasi-government for the Palestinian Territories (including by Israel under the Oslo Accords; though the Gaza strip has of course been illegitimately ruled by Hamas since they ousted the PA in a coup there soon after Israel unilaterally withdrew from the area under Ariel Sharon). Which means the change in labelling doesn't even have an effect on tariffs, and reinforces the line of this being mostly bullshit virtue signalling. The point remains that people likely to base their purchasing decisions upon political considerations are unlikely to boycott Israeli goods even more because they were made in a settlement (though that might actually employ Palestinian workers).

In the somewhat similar case of Moroccan-occupied West Sahara, the European Court ruled some time ago that trade and fishery agreements between the EU and Morocco do not apply to that area. There is however no universally recognized West Saharan authority, and the EU Commission has pointed out that putting tariffs on goods from the area would be detrimental to the Sahrawi population, as production would then likely move into Morocco proper. It has nonetheless demanded from Morocco to make the precise origin of such goods transparent. The latter has offered to grant access to a domestic database which tracks products down to Moroccan administrative divisions; but since those were imposed unilaterally by the government, some of them straddle the line between Morocco proper and West Sahara, or the fortified military border between the occupied part of the area and the one de-facto-ruled by the Polisario freedom movement.

There is some activism on this issue, too, but obviously it doesn't get the same publicity as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. So both sides are under less pressure to enact measures. The precise origin of goods made in Israel and the Palestinian territories is also a lot more obvious. So from what I've seen of the labelling of Israeli settlement products, it has a bit of a "d'uh" factor.

 
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There is some activism on this issue, too, but obviously it doesn't get the same publicity as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. So both sides are under less pressure to enact measures. The precise origin of goods made in Israel and the Palestinian territories is also a lot more obvious. So from what I've seen of the labelling of Israeli settlement products, it has a bit of a "d'uh" factor.

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So it’s okay to drink the wine if it’s made in Jerusalem, but if it is made in the Golan Heights, I can’t drink it?

Based on what you have stated throughout this thread, it’s okay to eat at a McDonalds in Flagstaff Arizona, but I shouldn’t eat at the McDonalds in Window Rock, because it’s owned by a white man and located on the Navajo Nation?

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Assuming that this rationale was in fact true, would it not be more accurate to then identify the products as being made in Egypt, Syria, or the actual country of origin? Israeli colony still fails to identify the country of origin.


I read around a little more when the reports about the ruling popped up this week, and in this case the EU has free trade agreements in place with both Israel and the Palestinian Authority, which is the internationally recognized quasi-government for the Palestinian Territories (including by Israel under the Oslo Accords; though the Gaza strip has of course been illegitimately ruled by Hamas since they ousted the PA in a coup there soon after Israel unilaterally withdrew from the area under Ariel Sharon). Which means the change in labelling doesn't even have an effect on tariffs, and reinforces the line of this being mostly bullshit virtue signalling. The point remains that people likely to base their purchasing decisions upon political considerations are unlikely to boycott Israeli goods even more because they were made in a settlement (though that might actually employ Palestinian workers).

In the somewhat similar case of Moroccan-occupied West Sahara, the European Court ruled some time ago that trade and fishery agreements between the EU and Morocco do not apply to that area. There is however no universally recognized West Saharan authority, and the EU Commission has pointed out that putting tariffs on goods from the area would be detrimental to the Sahrawi population, as production would then likely move into Morocco proper. It has nonetheless demanded from Morocco to make the precise origin of such goods transparent. The latter has offered to grant access to a domestic database which tracks products down to Moroccan administrative divisions; but since those were imposed unilaterally by the government, some of them straddle the line between Morocco proper and West Sahara, or the fortified military border between the occupied part of the area and the one de-facto-ruled by the Polisario freedom movement.

There is some activism on this issue, too, but obviously it doesn't get the same publicity as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. So both sides are under less pressure to enact measures. The precise origin of goods made in Israel and the Palestinian territories is also a lot more obvious. So from what I've seen of the labelling of Israeli settlement products, it has a bit of a "d'uh" factor.



Bullshit. It says right on the label “Israeli settlement”. I’d wager the average person in Europe doesn’t know the Golan Heights is a “settlement” without that label. This is merely a tactic to hurt sales of Jewish items. Period.

Good old Europa is heading down the anti-Semite road, again. It will eventually lead to their destruction, again.


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This is merely a tactic to hurt sales of Jewish items. Period.


Agreed. There is no legitimate reason to label things as such.
There is co convincing me otherwise.



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Banshee is this a good look for the EU? I mean I get it, Germans and anti Semitism are two terms forever bound together via history but someone had to realize the optics of this. I thought Germans were smart?

Trying to educate people on the origin of a good is fine if it’s 100% done consistently across the board. Is it? Or is this a round about way to fuck with Jewish made products and discourage their sales?

Sadly I am not surprised to see the EU do this. Given all the absolutely moronic decisions it makes this is par for the course.
 
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Whenever I’m in the mood for a hot dog, I gladly reach for the Hebrew National dogs. I’m not Jewish but I like Kosher made foods.

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Ironic, isn’t it?
I’m sure someone who knows more about importing pictures from the Internet could easily put that one beside any of countless showing Jewish shops being conspicuously identified in Third Reich Germany. What’s next: Labels with yellow stars so they are more visible?

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Ironic, isn’t it?
I’m sure someone who knows more about importing pictures from the Internet could easily put that one beside any of countless showing Jewish shops being conspicuously identified in Third Reich Germany. What’s next: Labels with yellow stars so they are more visible?

“Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose”


Maybe the EU could make all the Jews sew a Star of David on their clothing so that people can be able to make an informed choice on people they want or don't want to do business with for political reasons anti-Semitism.



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Bullshit. It says right on the label “Israeli settlement”. I’d wager the average person in Europe doesn’t know the Golan Heights is a “settlement” without that label. This is merely a tactic to hurt sales of Jewish items. Period.

Good old Europa is heading down the anti-Semite road, again. It will eventually lead to their destruction, again.


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Banshee is this a good look for the EU? I mean I get it, Germans and anti Semitism are two terms forever bound together via history but someone had to realize the optics of this. I thought Germans were smart?

Trying to educate people on the origin of a good is fine if it’s 100% done consistently across the board. Is it? Or is this a round about way to fuck with Jewish made products and discourage their sales?

Sadly I am not surprised to see the EU do this. Given all the absolutely moronic decisions it makes this is par for the course.


Well, if anybody wasn't educated enough to know about the settlements issue without appropriate labeling - like that the Golan Heights are among the Israeli-occupied territories - he likely doesn't care enough about it to base his choice of purchase on it. If OTOH he knows about it and would base his choice on criticism of Israeli policy, he doesn't need the additional label. And chances are he wouldn't buy any product from either Israel proper or the occupied territories. Unless he specifically wants to support Arabs which are probably employed by makers in those territories.

Likewise, if you wanted to label "Jewish" products you hardly need any additional effort for goods made in Israel. OTOH, you would need to establish which makers in other countries are Jewish. And probably which makers in Israel are non-Jewish, too. Though the whole thing affects only food and cosmetics; because ultimately it is not a new regulation, as widely but erroneously reported, but just a clarification of pre-existing EU rules for protected designations of origin for food (i. e. Swiss cheese must actually be made in Switzerland, feta in Greece, prosciutto in Italy, etc.).

As noted, the same issue exists with some other countries, but gets less publicity. In addition to the case of Moroccan-occupied Western Sahara mentioned before, a couple years ago the Republic of Cyprus - now an EU member - objected to the use of "Made in Northern Cyprus" by the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, recognized only by Turkey which occupied the territory in 1974. Yesterday I found a whole law master thesis comparing the three cases. Of course regarding Cyprus, there is much bigger fish to fry than some bottles of wine, too - currently the EU is preparing to slap sanctions on Turkey for undertaking oil exploration at sea in the EEZ off the northern part of the island.

Regarding optics, the German government has been pretty quiet on the whole thing, and also pointing out this is merely a clarification of the general EU rules for labeling of food imports. It seems nobody wants to be even responsible for enforcing this, federal and state authorities pointing at each other when asked by media. Specific legislation is certainly neither planned nor needed. It's just not a winning topic one way or the other. As I related earlier in this thread, when German parliament recently condemned the BDS movement as anti-Semitic, it got promptly got hit over the head with enraged reactions by Israeli leftists supporting the Palestinian cause. Including a Holocaust survivor who basically called them all Nazis.
 
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Well, if anybody wasn't educated enough to know about the settlements issue ...

What is wrong with you? Do you really think your advocation of NAZI-style fascism is going to influence people here?



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