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President Barack Obama's first education secretary, Arne Duncan, gave a speech on the 45th anniversary of "Bloody Sunday" at the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, Alabama, where, in 1965, state troopers beat and tear-gassed hundreds of peaceful civil rights marchers who were demanding voting rights. Later that year, as a result of widespread support across the nation, the U.S. Congress passed the Voting Rights Act. Secretary Duncan titled his speech "Crossing the Next Bridge." Duncan told the crowd that black students "are more than three times as likely to be expelled as their white peers," adding that Martin Luther King would be "dismayed."

Gail Heriot, a law professor at the University of San Diego and a member of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, and her special assistant and counselor, Alison Somin, have written an important article in the Texas Review of Law & Politics, titled "The Department of Education's Obama-Era Initiative on Racial Disparities in School Discipline" (Spring 2018). The article is about the departments of Education and Justice's "disparate impact" vision, wherein they see racial discrimination as the factor that explains why black male students face suspension and expulsion more often than other students.

Faced with threats from the Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights, schools have instituted new disciplinary policies. For example, after the public school district in Oklahoma City was investigated by the OCR, there was a 42.5 percent decrease in the number of suspensions. According to an article in The Oklahoman, one teacher said, "Students are yelling, cursing, hitting and screaming at teachers and nothing is being done but teachers are being told to teach and ignore the behaviors." According to Chalkbeat, new high school teachers left one school because they didn't feel safe. There have been cases in which students have assaulted teachers and returned to school the next day.

Many of the complaints about black student behavior are coming from black teachers. I doubt whether they could be accused of racial discrimination against black students. The first vice president of the St. Paul, Minnesota, chapter of the NAACP said it's "very disturbing" that the school district would retaliate against a black teacher "for simply voicing the concern" that when black students are not held accountable for misbehaving, they are set up for failure in life.

An article in Education Week earlier this year, titled "When Students Assault Teachers, Effects Can Be Lasting," discusses the widespread assaults of teachers across the country: "In the 2015-16 school year, 5.8 percent of the nation's 3.8 million teachers were physically attacked by a student. Almost 10 percent were threatened with injury, according to federal education data."

Measures that propose harsh punishment for students who assault teachers have not been successful. In North Carolina, a bill was introduced that proposed that students 16 or older could be charged with a felony if they assaulted a teacher. It was opposed by children's advocacy and disability rights groups. In Minnesota, a 2016 bill would have required school boards to automatically expel a student who threatened or inflicted bodily harm on a teacher for up to a year. It, too, was opposed, even in light of the fact that teachers have suffered serious bodily harm, such as the case in which a high school student slammed a teacher into a concrete wall and then squeezed his throat. That teacher ended up with a traumatic brain injury.

There are plenty of visuals of assaults on teachers. Here's a tiny sample: Florida's Seminole Middle School, Pennsylvania's Cheltenham High School, Illinois' Rich Central High School. Byongook Moon, a professor in the criminal justice department at the University of Texas at San Antonio, says that according to his study of 1,600 teachers, about 44 percent of teachers who had been victims of physical assault said that being attacked had a negative impact on their job performance. Nearly 30 percent said they could no longer trust the student who had attacked them, and 27 percent said they thought of quitting their teaching career afterward.

My question is: Is there any reason whatsoever for adults to tolerate this kind of behavior from our young people?

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To paraphrase Dr. King; When deciding discipline, don't look to skin color, look at the act.
 
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A better question: For how many decades, or even centuries, will we be forced to look at "racial disparities" in statistics before we are allowed to recognize the obviously rational conclusion that "Maybe there are some real differences" ?


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There's an even greater disparity between males and females in school discipline but nobody seems to notice that.



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Cause and effect.

For years I have doctoral candidates wanting to do research in the disparity that the 'system' punishes too many black students and whites get a free ride. It is a myth that just keeps giving and giving.

I make them demonstrate a ratio to account for confounding variables like SES. will a low SES learner in a predominantly white school be just as apt to misbehave as his counterpart in a similar mostly black school. In other words, control for both race and SES.

It is always dead even. There is no disparity, just myth. poor white kids act up just like poor black kids. mostly black schools have black kids that act up. mostly white schools in Appalachia have white kids that act up.

Who knew.

Well we create programs to Not punish certain kids because of the perceived racism behind discipline and you get what we have.



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Create the victim mentality young and make sure they know that they are not responsible for their actions and choices. Roll Eyes
 
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Isn’t assault a crime? I know battery is a crime. Why don’t we enforce the many laws we already have, regardless of genetically determined physical characteristics?





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5 year old black kid punched my kids teacher the other day. At least they moved him to the "bad" class to get more one on one attention from a better suited disciplinarian/teacher.


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Isn’t assault a crime? I know battery is a crime. Why don’t we enforce the many laws we already have, regardless of genetically determined physical characteristics?


The teacher is the victim. IF they called the cops, demanded a police report and to press charges, most jurisdictions would. Although some districts have pressured the school resource officers to "defer" prosecution, because prosecuting black kids is racist.


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In the school I worked in today, I have zero disparities in my classroom. If a student acts up or wants to sleep, I have a guard put them back in their cell.


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In the school I worked in today, I have zero disparities in my classroom. If a student acts up or wants to sleep, I have a guard put them back in their cell.
Some high schools need to be organized that way....

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Some schools are going the other way.
Allowing minorities to get away with more.

When I was a freshman in a Parochial school, in the mid 60s, a 7ft tall black senior put a knife to my throat...he told me to get on my knees as he started to unzip his pants. I was in the restroom and had just finished washing and was leaving when he entered and did that.

Well, I told him to kill me, I was not kneeling for anything.
He told me if he caught me in any restroom again or if I told he would kill me.

Of course I told and nothing was done. He had gotten kicked out of the public school and was taken in our school free. Of course he was on our basketball team.
I did not go to that school after that year.

Now, my daughter in law is teaching 3rd grade and had a kid in her class that used to hit her regularly. They would not throw him out either.
They said he was a crack baby and that was the reason??


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They said he was a crack baby and that was the reason??
So give him enough crack that he can overdose and die.

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Oh, the stories I could tell...

23rd year as a teacher in a school that’s 90+% minority and nearly 1/3 of the kids are labeled as special ed. It’s all rolling downhill, quickly.

Must hang on..6..more..years...
 
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Isn’t assault a crime? I know battery is a crime. Why don’t we enforce the many laws we already have, regardless of genetically determined physical characteristics?


The teacher is the victim. IF they called the cops, demanded a police report and to press charges, most jurisdictions would. Although some districts have pressured the school resource officers to "defer" prosecution, because prosecuting black kids is racist.


I'm sure the teacher's union has a big hand in stifling any litigation attempt by the teacher against the student/school district.
 
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Oh, the stories I could tell...

23rd year as a teacher in a school that’s 90+% minority and nearly 1/3 of the kids are labeled as special ed. It’s all rolling downhill, quickly.

Must hang on..6..more..years...


Hang in there! You CAN make it 6 more years. I just retired after teaching science for 30 years all at the same High School last May.

My secret to hanging on that long, was a change in perspective that caused me to not sweat the "minor infractions". That change in perspective was brought on by two nearly life ending events.

In July 2008 I had a heart attack. A 98% blockage in the Left Anterior Descending Coronary Artery, the "Widow Maker". In February 2015 I had a rollover accident on I-65 after hydroplaning in the rain and flipping over the guardrail and down in a ravine. Fractured vertebrae in my cervical and thoracic spine and two TBIs was the result. Those two incidents had me reassess what battles I really wanted to fight in the classroom. I turned in much fewer discipline referrals over the last few years. If there were serious issues, I just called in a principal/assistant principal to handle it sooner than I did in my earlier years.

It's only been 5 months since I've retired, but I am so glad to be out of that environment! I'm collecting my teacher's pension (while it lasts!) and working at a LGS as Range Counter Clerk/Range Safety Officer and loving every minute of it. And I'm in a much safer workplace that allows me to exercise my 2nd Amendment rights!
 
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My question is: Is there any reason whatsoever for adults to tolerate this kind of behavior from our young people?


My answer is NO.

Tolerating this type of behavior may change the statistics and keep the OCR off your back, but it sets these kids up for failure in the civilized world. They don't know and respect boundaries. They don't learn the valuable "law of consequences" on a small scale so they are left to discover it on a large scale when they bump into LE.


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They said he was a crack baby and that was the reason??
So give him enough crack that he can overdose and die.

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I call B.S. on racial disparity in discipline with blacks. If anything, it's the other way around.

I had four siblings, all the same baby momma, three were black, two with same baby daddy, and one being white.

One day the all get into a knock down dragout fight, blood, hair, full on between the four.

The only kid that got suspended from school, the one that did the least was the white kid, he was the only one that stopped when I yelled to stop.

The other siblings, nothing.


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They said he was a crack baby and that was the reason??
So give him enough crack that he can overdose and die.

flashguy


Tell em "Crack and Strychnine is the latest way to get high." Razz

What in the hell is wrong with you guys...

Crom, too.

Disgusting, and delusional, and worse, all of these comments.
 
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