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So... no matter how poorly the service is provided, once people vote to have government provide a service that was once provided through the private sector.... it can never go the other way? Why is the size and scope of government always a one-way ratchet? Can't people ever vote for less government? "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Exactly. This isn't opting out, being a sovereign citizen, conscientious objector, etc. This is a citizen following the process (i.e. ballot measure) to give voters the decision on who pays for public education - 100% of all households (70% of all households do not have school age children) vs 30% of households (i.e. the portion of households who actually have school age children). As it was posted on page 5, the decision of 100% of all households to pay for education was made in 1918. It's healthy to reconsider decisions made 99 years ago instead of accepting them as the "way it is" in perpetuity. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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Am I speaking swahili? Once again, if the people want to vote away public run education, good (I'm sure I'd be one of them), but that doesn't seem to be the conversation. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan "Once there was only dark. If you ask me, light is winning." ~Rust Cohle | |||
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We used to have some great swim clubs around here. Private pools. Then the County decided that everyone should have access to swimming pools. One by one, the little private pools all shut down. When the government steps in and provides the service (whatever it is) it's hard to compete against the government. You have to pay your county taxes whether you use the county swimming pool or not.... but you don't have to join the private pool. After all the private pools are gone.... people start to wonder why and begin to remember how neat it was to have them. At the private pool you could bring your own cooler (even beer, alcohol) you could order pizza delivered to your table, all sorts of things that just aren't allowed in the sterile environment of a public facility. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Oh stewardess, I speak jive.  |
Apparently not, in almost every case. Frustrating, no doubt. It may not be a true one way ratchet, but it's a solid 98% one way, it seems. I believe history will show that, 200 more years from now, it'll be what did us in. Well before the threat of nuclear weapons or disease or the like. We'll vote ourselves to death, over taxed, over governed, and out of sustainability. We'll be long dead by the time it happens, so at least there's that. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
You are right, there are two conversations going on here. 1. How to fund 'public' education? Which begs the question.... 2. Whether it's even necessary to have 'public' (ie. socialist) education? Which reminds me of a quote of Jallen's: "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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I believe this falls on State Rights and not an avenue for the Federal Government. The State \ Local community can decide and reap the benefits. This would allow States to define their identity instead of being homogenized by the Federal Government. ____________________________________________________ The butcher with the sharpest knife has the warmest heart. | |||
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It takes a whole village . . . In Montana, cost per student is lower than most as our wages are lower than most. I pay $2,314.72 this year for our local schools, our community college, our university system and our levies. Over the span of 50 years of home ownership, I consider the sum total of my taxes for education - around $100,000 - a bargain to educate my 2 children who are both in their late 30's. I served 7 years as a school board trustee and fought like hell to keep costs down without sacrifice to the process. In my daughters HS graduation class of about 100, I believe only 4 kids didn't graduate - That was because they were killed in car wrecks. I hear you folks paying astronomical taxes, though. Here is my tax bill on my home for 2017. My home is worth about &650. SUMMARY OF TAXES, LEVIES & FEES COUNTY . $361.92 COUNTY LIBRARY . $39.10 SHERIFF . $228.69 CO PERM MED LEVY . $55.81 NOXIOUS WEEDS . $7.90 COUNTYWIDE MOSQUITO . $4.08 911 GENER OBLIG BOND . $10.24 PERM SRS LEVY . $4.14 ROAD . $128.77 COUNTY PLANNING . $10.24 BOARD OF HEALTH . $31.04 COUNTY LANDFILL $80.73 SUBTOTAL - TAXES FOR COUNTY FUNCTIONS . . . . $962.66 STATE - UNIVERSITY . $32.67 GENERAL SCHOOLS . $576.79 STATE - SCHOOL AID . $217.80 FLAT VAL COM COLLEGE . $87.01 COLUMBIA FALLS H.S. . $378.70 CF RURAL ELEM 06 . $998.99 FVCC PERMIS MED LEVY . $22.76 SUBTOTAL - TAXES FOR EDUCATION . . . . . . . . . . . $2314.72 FAIRVIEW CEMETERY . $22.32 SOIL & WATER CONSERV . $9.10 BADROCK FIRE . $96.76 SUBTOTAL - OTHER TAXES AND FEES . . . . . . . . . .$128.18 TOTAL TAXES AND FEES. . . $3405.56 Mike I'm sorry if I hurt you feelings when I called you stupid - I thought you already knew - Unknown ................................... When you have no future, you live in the past. " Sycamore Row" by John Grisham | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Forget about educating the children.... We just need to stop giving birth to them! Save the planet! Having children is the most destructive thing a person can to do to the environment, according to a new study. Researchers from Lund University in Sweden found having one fewer child per family can save “an average of 58.6 tonnes of CO2-equivalent emissions per year”. http://www.independent.co.uk/e...search-a7837961.html "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Muzzle flash aficionado  |
Yes, and only the White families will decide to do that. The result will be (soon) the virtual elimination of Whites. flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
The West (not just the US, but Western civilization) has become captivated by the notion of socialism (public education, social security, medicare, medicaid, etc.). The problem with socialism is that there is always more demand than willingness to pay... so payment is always pushed off on future generations. The paradox is that socialism depends on increasing the population while at the same time the countries which have adopted socialism seem to have birth rates which are cratering. Therefore, socialist countries have ignored borders and border security in order to keep bringing in new "workers" to fund the "benefits" promised by socialism. Socialism always plants the seed of its' own self-destruction. Once you remove people from the necessity of individual responsibility.... it's only a matter of time. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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restricting population and quit paying teachers, yeah , thats a good idea  and when you stop to think about who will be fighting the future wars, who will you end up with ? half the amount of solders that are partially able to add and subtract , but can't read a map or dress themselves. Safety, Situational Awareness and proficiency. Neck Ties, Hats and ammo brass, Never ,ever touch'em w/o asking first | |||
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