Steve Jobs was Apple. He may have been an a-hole but he knew who to push his people and bring out the best.

Apple seems to have lost the ability to innovate. Apple under Jobs brought us the iPod and music that wasn't on a CD. Apple brought us a phone we didn't even know we needed. Today nearly every phone is a smartphone with a touch keyboard, internet etc. Then the iPad. Who knew we needed a table but today how many people own and use a table.

Apple may not have been the first to make some of these products but they were the first to bring them into the mainstream. First to make them just work in simple ways.

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Originally posted by comet24:
Steve Jobs was Apple. He may have been an a-hole but he knew who to push his people and bring out the best.

Apple seems to have lost the ability to innovate. Apple under Jobs brought us the iPod and music that wasn't on a CD. Apple brought us a phone we didn't even know we needed. Today nearly every phone is a smartphone with a touch keyboard, internet etc. Then the iPad. Who knew we needed a table but today how many people own and use a table.

Apple may not have been the first to make some of these products but they were the first to bring them into the mainstream. First to make them just work in simple ways.

Also, what really makes Apple, is all of their products work with each other so seamlessly, Ipads, iphones, ipods……..it's seamless.

The thing people forget about Steve Jobs is that he, himself, wasn't much of an innovator but more of a salesman. Certainly, innovations came out of Apple several times over the course of his two reigns as CEO but many of them were coming from people who worked for Jobs.

Jobs' specialization was in being able to convince people they needed Apple products.

I remember when people were making fun of the iPad announcement.

They were mocking how steve jobs decided to duct tape 4 iphones together.

I don't know who was responsible for all the innovations at apple. Maybe jobs was good at recognizing the acorn ideas that will grow big.

I still have a 2012 MacbookPro which I adore, works great, but my last iPhones were the 4/4s. They lost me forever as a phone manufacturer when they dropped the headphone jack, and half of their problem - such that it is - is confusing nonsense like removing the headphone jack with actual innovation. It's self delusional insanity is what it is, and a cash grab for new accessories, and every one of the fucksticks at Apple and the other companies who followed suit out to be relentlessly beaten with headphone cables until they get it.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
I still have a 2012 MacbookPro which I adore, works great, but my last iPhones were the 4/4s. They lost me forever as a phone manufacturer when they dropped the headphone jack, and half of their problem - such that it is - is confusing nonsense like removing the headphone jack with actual innovation. It's self delusional insanity is what it is, and a cash grab for new accessories, and every one of the fucksticks at Apple and the other companies who followed suit out to be relentlessly beaten with headphone cables until they get it.

The newer iphones come with the headphone jack adapter that plugs into the charging port, and a set of headphones. My iPhone 7 did.

Yeah, I'd rather have a butthole in my forehead than monkey with an adapter.

Multi-industry standards like an 1/8" audio port exist for a reason, for exceptionally good reasons... The very audacity of them to screw with something like that is off-putting enough all by itself. It's a degree of "we think we're that important" that's rarely seen, and for good reason. It's crazy that they even tried, and almost as crazy as them getting away with it. It's when they jumped the shark for good, as far as I'm concerned.

Same as removing the USB ports from some devices, way prematurely too.

I love design as a concept, I love good design, innovation too, but these are examples of way too much form over function, way too much arrogance, and I won't have it/support it.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
Yeah, I'd rather have a butthole in my forehead than monkey with an adapter.

I have nothing to add, but this made me lmao.

The iPhone is meh, but it's iOS that people (such as myself) really like. I couldn't get over the clunkiness (in my opinion) of Android when I tried a Google Pixel 2 earlier this year.

If Apple were to open OSX up to all hardware but only allow App store and updates with a valid key/login, and bring he cost/prices down on their phones, it'd go a long way to expanding their market.

I wen't from a Pixel2 to an iPhone SE because I was so sick of dealing with Android. It's weird, because I know the hardware was so much faster and more open. It was the user experience I didn't care for.

If that makes sense.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
Yeah, I'd rather have a butthole in my forehead than monkey with an adapter.

Multi-industry standards like an 1/8" audio port exist for a reason, for exceptionally good reasons... The very audacity of them to screw with something like that is off-putting enough all by itself. It's a degree of "we think we're that important" that's rarely seen, and for good reason. It's crazy that they even tried, and almost as crazy as them getting away with it. It's when they jumped the shark for good, as far as I'm concerned.

Same as removing the USB ports from some devices, way prematurely too.

I love design as a concept, I love good design, innovation too, but these are examples of way too much form over function, way too much arrogance, and I won't have it/support it.

I couldn't agree more. It's one of the main reasons why I went with the Samsung S9 when I recently upgraded my phone. Absolutely ridiculous all these new phones coming out without the headphone jack. God bless Samsung for keeping it on their flagship phone.

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Originally posted by Veeper:
The iPhone is meh, but it's iOS that people (such as myself) really like. I couldn't get over the clunkiness (in my opinion) of Android when I tried a Google Pixel 2 earlier this year.

If Apple were to open OSX up to all hardware but only allow App store and updates with a valid key/login, and bring he cost/prices down on their phones, it'd go a long way to expanding their market.

I wen't from a Pixel2 to an iPhone SE because I was so sick of dealing with Android. It's weird, because I know the hardware was so much faster and more open. It was the user experience I didn't care for.

If that makes sense.

THIS, I cracked the screen on my iPhone 7 about 7 weeks ago and paid $100 to have it replaced. Then about 5 weeks later I dropped it in water for 5 seconds and immediately dried it off......it had water under the screen......I ordered a Mil Spec Kyocera dura force pro (drop proof, waterproof to 2 meters for 30 minutes, etc. etc.). I kept it 4 days before I sent it back to Verizon. The thing kept alerting all night long for everything. The android system was clunky and hard to navigate through, by day 3 I started getting pop ups everytime I opened the browser.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
I don't know who was responsible for all the innovations at apple. Maybe jobs was good at recognizing the acorn ideas that will grow big.

Without question, Jobs was the innovator, the ideas man. He wasn't an engineer or a trained designer, but he knew what he wanted and hired the people to make his ideas possible, most notably Jonathan Ives. Jobs would scream at his people that he wants it less than an inch thick, no corners, all white, etc. and they would have to figure it out. I haven't bought anything from Apple in a while, and I was a loyal customer since the early 90s.

Gave up the iPhone years ago to switch to Samsung, and I haven't looked back.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
Multi-industry standards like an 1/8" audio port exist for a reason, for exceptionally good reasons... The very audacity of them to screw with something like that ...

Yes! Damn their eyes for eliminating a redundancy and another point for water ingress! What hubris!

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Originally posted by 46and2:
Same as removing the USB ports from some devices, way prematurely too.

They waited and waited and waited and waited and waited for "the industry" to settle on a USB C spec. Finally got tired of waiting.

I imagine they'll eventually move over to USB C, but then I'm sure people will bitch about them transitioning away from Lightning. Besides: USB C has not been w/o its growing pains.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
I love design as a concept, I love good design, innovation too, but these are examples of way too much form over function, way too much arrogance, and I won't have it/support it.

I feel the same way about Jeep. Only after I bought it did I realize it has no CD player! How dare they?!?! Next time I'm buying something else!

Oh, wait... it seems pretty much everybody's dropped in-dash CD players. Just like cassette players, before them. And 8-track players, before them.

Apple's far from perfect, and no mistake. (My issues posted earlier, so I won't rehash them.) But I regard them as preferable to the alternative--especially every time I see Yet Another Android Critical Vulnerabilty Alert cross my tech newsfeeds.

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Re: “They waited and waited and waited and waited and waited for "the industry" to settle on a USB C spec. Finally got tired of waiting.

I imagine they'll eventually move over to USB C, but then I'm sure people will bitch about them transitioning away from Lightning. Besides: USB C has not been w/o its growing pains.”

Apple’s goal is to eliminate all physical ports and switches. Wireless charging, Bluetooth, NFC, and WiFi for connectivity.

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Originally posted by Crom:
I just remembered why I always use Windows and Android.

Does Apple annoy me? Oh yaz, they most certainly do. But essentially all tech annoys me. Apple I trust--mostly. Android & Microsoft? Yeah... not so much. Not at all, really.

And that's why I avoid MS-Windows and Android.

But to each their own *shrug*

To each his own - true. However the US military have approved Samsung Galaxy S and Note series for use with classified data (including the new S9 and Note 8, though Note 9 probably hasn't been certified yet).

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Originally posted by 46and2:
Multi-industry standards like an 1/8" audio port exist for a reason, for exceptionally good reasons... The very audacity of them to screw with something like that ...

Yes! Damn their eyes for eliminating a redundancy and another point for water ingress! What hubris!

Yeah right. Redundancy you say. Please. Guess what I was able to do while camping in the andirondacks with my Samsung that those with an iPhone or my sister with a Pixel (no headphone jack) weren't able to do because there was zero cell service. I could listen to regular old radio with the S9's built in FM tuner. I'm sure you'll just poo hoo that and dismiss it as archaic, but I tell you, it was actually a comfort to know that I could get outside news and simple music without the Internet. Not to mention it could play all day and barely run down the battery.

And water ingress? Another fallacy. Somehow the Samsung manages to maintain water resistance with a headphone jack and does it better than the iPhone X to boot.

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If you want to talk features, Facial Recognition is a SUPER feature that’s unique to the iPhone X. Works w/ or w/o glasses; w/ or w/o hat; in total darkness.

Besides automatically locking/unlocking the phone, it enables ApplePay; gets me into my bank account app; gets me into the wonderful MyChart medical app; much more.

All high end phones will have some version of Facial Recognition within two years. Apple has the deluxe version right now.

I LOVE Facial Recognition!

^^^Well, the S9 has the same thing. It also has an iris scanner. Both features by the way which I'll never use. I ain't registering my face or my eyes with anyone or anything voluntarily if I can help it.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
^^^Well, the S9 has the same thing. It also has an iris scanner. Both features by the way which I'll never use. I ain't registering my face or my eyes with anyone or anything voluntarily if I can help it.

Yep, that would be the first thing I turned off on my new phone. Fingerprint scanners are insanely fast and better security in my book.

And its always interesting to me to see people fawn over wireless charging, given how slow it is. I'll opt for high speed charging (DASH in my case) that charges a dead phone to 60% in 15-20 minutes over wireless every day of the week and twice on Sunday. DASH charging on my OnePlus is so fast I no longer worry about charging my phone overnight or running out of juice during the day given a top up is just 15 minutes.

And count me as a fan of the old headphone jack. I have no interest in having to keep up with a dongle to use my wired earbuds/headphones.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
^^^Well, the S9 has the same thing. It also has an iris scanner. Both features by the way which I'll never use. I ain't registering my face or my eyes with anyone or anything voluntarily if I can help it.

Ha I got you beat.. I was using face unlock on my Galaxy Nexus back in 2011. Of course it wasn't nearly as advance as Apple or Samsung now but it did work and I used it to avoid drawing pattern all the times.

Of course with fingerprint these days, I no longer use any face or iris unlocking.