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Elon Musk's electric car company has always been a triumph of green hype over reality. Now Tesla is finally running out of other people's money.

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Robert Tracinski

Elon Musk may finally be running out of other people’s money. That’s the upshot of a report on how Tesla is burning so much cash it may run out by the end of the year. This is a company that has raised more than $5 billion from its investors so far, and it is still going to need many billions more—if it can get them. What is more interesting is how Tesla got to the point where it is still bleeding cash, just when it was finally supposed to be making good on its extravagant promises.

The company has always been a triumph of PR hype and political messaging over reality. Why invest in Tesla? Why buy a Tesla? Because you’re not just buying a car—you’re participating in a social and technological revolution. You are the leading edge of the new era of electric cars and the obsolescence of the gasoline engine—which will literally save the planet, or so the story goes.

But it’s not just about global warming. You’re also helping Elon Musk revolutionize the entire manufacturing process by building super-automated, hyper-roboticized factories. He’s on the leading edge of the self-driving car revolution, already introducing a feature he calls “Autopilot.” If we don’t manage to save this planet, don’t worry. By boosting Musk, you’re helping him find us another planet to colonize.

In actuality, what has Tesla produced? A very nice car—for $100,000. There are a lot of very nice cars you can buy for $100,000, if you’re the sort of person who thinks this is a reasonable amount of money to spend on a car, as opposed to a house. More to the point, there are a lot of very nice cars you can buy for $50,000. But Tesla has been able to charge an irrationally high premium for sleek design, technological glamour, and what a Tesla-owning friend of mine describes as “happy tree-hugger feelings.”

Tesla’s next step is supposed to be the production of its first mass-market electric car for the middle class, the Model 3. They were supposed to pump out 500,000 Model 3s this year, but the company has been unable to produce them at anywhere near that rate. In fact, the company’s one big auto factory was recently closed down for a week.

“In a Tuesday note to employees, CEO Elon Musk said that the pause was necessary to lay the groundwork for higher production levels in the coming weeks. Musk said he wants all parts of the company ready to prepare 6,000 Model 3 cars per week by the end of June, triple the rate Tesla has achieved in the recent weeks.” Let me do the math for you, because Musk regularly relies on the fact that you won’t. The company was supposed to build 500,000 Model 3s this year. It has been producing them at a rate of 100,000 per year, but Musk really, really promises they will ramp that up soon to a rate of 300,000 per year.

More important, even these smaller production targets are being achieved in exactly the opposite of the way Musk promised. MIT Technology Review summed up the vision in 2016.

Musk has previously declared his intent to ‘build a machine that builds the machine,’ a highly automated vehicle factory that will stun conventional automotive manufacturers, one in which human workers will all but vanish, replaced by highly automated software-directed machinery and robots that will build Model 3s, and perhaps other Tesla models, at speeds greater than any accomplished in assembly plants operated by General Motors, Ford, Toyota, or any other global automaker. During the company’s second-quarter earnings call with financial analysts, Musk nicknamed his proposed factory ‘alien dreadnought’—a Star Wars battle cruiser from another galaxy. ‘The point at which that’s what the factory looks like, that’s when you know you’ve won,’ Musk said this summer.
Now here’s the reality: “‘Excessive automation at Tesla was a mistake,’ Musk tweeted recently. ‘To be precise, my mistake. Humans are underrated.’ ‘We had this crazy, complex network of conveyor belts,’ Musk told CBS News. ‘And it was not working, so we got rid of that whole thing.'”

Tesla’s auto factory, where human workers were going to “all but vanish,” now employs up to 10,000 workers. By comparison, back in 1997 when the same factory was run by a Toyota/GM joint venture, it employed about half as many people to produce more than 350,000 cars. Tesla’s hyper-futuristic production process turns out to be less than half as efficient as a standard automobile plant 20 years ago.

That brings us back to the story about Tesla burning through its cash, because the main reason is the failure of its automated production dreams.

While Musk’s vision for the future once called for extreme automation, the present day is all about manpower. Back in 2010, Tesla had just 899 employees. Today, the company has nearly 40,000 workers….

Tesla has added employees faster than it has boosted revenue in three of the last four years. This includes more than doubling the workforce in 2017, when the company was scaling up for Model 3 production and took on employees from SolarCity Corp.

Tesla’s employee roster more than tripled from 2014 to 2017, and revenue per employee stagnated. General Motors Co. and Ford Motor Co. each bring in about 2.5 times as much revenue per employee.
But wait, there’s more. Tesla is facing a wall at the end of this year, when the $7,500 federal tax credit for its electric vehicles expires. The idea behind the tax credit was to stimulate the production of electric vehicles in their early stages until they became profitable and economically self-sustaining. But Tesla still hasn’t reached that point and is not likely to do so.

At the same time Tesla’s credits expire, many traditional automakers will be bringing to market their own electric vehicles, which still qualify for the credits. More important, these cars serve a larger economic purpose for the big automakers: they help the companies meet federal fuel-efficiency regulations. Since automakers are judged on the gas mileage of the entire fleet of cars they offer, they have an incentive to lose money on the sale of electric vehicles, which use no gasoline, to be allowed to sell the gasoline-powered cars that actually drive their profits. In effect, the $7,500 federal tax credit for electric vehicles is a complicated, inefficient, and very indirect subsidy that helps automakers produce gas-guzzling luxury cars.

So if we look at Tesla’s situation, we see that everything is going against it. It is running out of cash. It is not reaching its production targets for its mass-market model. Its attempt at hyper-efficient automated production is a bust. Its overhyped “Autopilot” feature is regularly abused by enthusiasts and is getting people killed. Tesla is now starting to face intense competition in the electric car business. But there’s one more thing: the market is also against it.

If you want to know what the actual auto-buying public wants, look at the moves made by a few big, traditional automakers. Ford Motor Company, for example, recently announced that it will discontinue all of its sedan models, retaining only the Mustang, and shift most of its production to trucks and SUVs, which are its best-selling and most profitable models. Ford is following the lead of Chrysler, which now mostly sells Jeep SUVs and Ram trucks.

One of the factors here is that Ford claims to have reduced the difference in gas mileage between sedans and SUVs, making SUVs less vulnerable to increases in gas prices. But the bigger factor is that Ford and Chrysler are clearly projecting fracking will keep gas prices low and keep us all driving great big four-wheel-drive monsters. So the signal the market is sending to big automakers is that consumers don’t care that much about gas mileage—and that the era of the gasoline-powered engine is far from over.

All of this was predictable. It has been clear for some time that Musk was not going to be able to make good on his hype and hubris, much less the absurd stock price that made Tesla supposedly more valuable than General Motors, a company that will probably make a $9 billion profit the same year Tesla runs out of cash. The main result of all of the Tesla boosterism and government subsidies will be to destroy billions of dollars in shareholder value.

So why have so many people bought the hype? It’s not just Musk’s charisma or his personal penchant for hype. It’s because he appealed to their fervor for the dominant green religion of our age. Tesla became an article of faith—and an ideologically driven tulip mania.

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Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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If using play money, would you recommend getting some PUT options for TSLA??
 
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Little known fact- the "T" in P.T. Barnum stands for "Tesla"



Better invest in wind turbines instead. Razz
 
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Tesla shareholders to vote on ousting Elon Musk as chairman



Tesla shareholders will consider a motion to oust Elon Musk as chairman of the board at the company’s annual meeting in June, just weeks after the board approved a massive compensation package for him.

The proposal from shareholder Jing Zhao, who owns 12 shares of Tesla’s common stock, calls on the board of directors to replace Musk with an independent director. In addition to serving as chairman of the board, Musk is Tesla’s CEO. Shareholders will vote on the proposal on June 5.

“Although the current leadership structure, in which the positions of Chairman and CEO are held by one person, could provide an effective leadership for Tesla at the early stage, now in this much more highly competitive and rapidly changing technology industry, it is more and more difficult to oversee Tesla's business and senior management (especially to minimize any potential conflicts) that may result from combining the positions of CEO and Chairman,” Zhao wrote in a statement on his proposal.

Zhao added that the appointment of an independent chairman would adhere to the “prevailing practice in the international market. … Tesla should not be the exception.”

Tesla shareholders approved a new $2.6 billion compensation package for Musk in March. The package will grant Musk stock awards in 12 increments based on the company’s projected rise in market value from $55 billion to $650 billion over the next 10 years. Under the deal’s terms, Musk must remain as Tesla CEO or serve as executive chairman and chief product officer to receive the awards.

The electric-car maker’s stock has been under pressure in recent days amid growing concern about its ability to meet production benchmarks for its flagship Model 3 electric sedan. Tesla has also been embroiled in a public war of words with federal safety officials over an investigation into a fatal car accident in California involving one of its vehicles.

Tesla’s board of directors, which is against the proposal, supported Musk as chairman in a statement.

“The Board believes that the Company’s success to date would not have been possible if the Board was led by another director lacking Elon Musk’s day-to-day exposure to the Company’s business,” the board said. “In light of the significant future opportunities for growth and the careful execution needed in order for the Company to achieve it, the Board believes that the Company is still best served by Mr. Musk continuing to serve as Chairman.”


https://www.foxbusiness.com/ma...lon-musk-as-chairman
 
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Wife and I always thought of it as a type of Ponzi scheme.






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What do you expect from someone named after a men's cologne? Elon Musk por homme
 
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Wife and I always thought of it as a type of Ponzi scheme.


Strictly speaking it isn’t a Ponzi scheme, as old investors aren’t being paid off by new ones. New investors buy shares from old ones, not the same thing.

Tesla is far from demonstrating that there is a demand for the products produced and sold at a price that recoups all costs and produces a profit. Until that happens, there is no basis whatsoever to think of Tesla as an investment.

OTOH, Amazon.com started similarly, several years of losses, significant losses, growing losses, before finally reaching profitability. The question was would it do that ever, or at least before the capital ran out. In that case, it did.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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Musk should switch his factory to making battery powered sex toys. After all, if people are going to get screwed, he might as well produce what can make people smile every day.

Just think of the new ads. The Tessa Thruster. Big Grin

Really, wouldn't the greenie weenie supporters be thrilled with solar powered get'em off high tech self driving.....ah never mind.
 
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Does Tesla's Claim For Environmental Friendliness Stand Up?
Neil Winton
Whisper it to the home crowd whooping and hollering every time Tesla Motors TSLA -0.14%TSLA -0.14% CEO Elon Musk said “sustainability” and “CO2 reduction” at the reveal of the Model 3 prototype, but lifetime carbon dioxide from electric cars may actually not be much different from conventional internal combustion engines in some markets.

Until most electricity is generated by clean, renewable sources, claims electric cars are saving the planet are hollow.

That’s the view of Bernstein Research, which studied the car market in Hong Kong where it is based. Bernstein Research said because Hong Kong, and China’s, production of electricity is carbon intensive, mainly from coal in other words, electric cars are increasing rather than reducing pollution. And worse, the government subsidizes the rich to do this.


Link: Forbes: Does Tesla's Claim for Environmental Friendliness Stand Up?


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Tesla fueled by dirty coal. Dirty, dirty coal.

Drive a diesel. Save the Planet.




The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People again must learn to work, instead of living on public assistance. ~ Cicero 55 BC

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