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MLB drops hammer on Astros, owner fires manage & GM
January 14, 2020, 09:25 AM
HK AgMLB drops hammer on Astros, owner fires manage & GM
Texas teams are always made an example of, SMU = Death Penalty, what other college got that? Crickets
Houston Astros = 1 yr suspensions + $5M fine + loss of 1st & 2nd rd draft pics for two years!!
Come on!!
We will see how long Boston’s Cora and NY’s Beltran’s suspensions are for their part?!
HK Ag
January 14, 2020, 09:43 AM
dave7378quote:
Originally posted by HK Ag:
Texas teams are always made an example of, SMU = Death Penalty, what other college got that? Crickets
Houston Astros = 1 yr suspensions + $5M fine + loss of 1st & 2nd rd draft pics for two years!!
Come on!!
We will see how long Boston’s Cora and NY’s Beltran’s suspensions are for their part?!
HK Ag
Cora's is going to be worse. Beltran will get nothing because he was a player at the time and MLB granted immunity to all players that cooperated with the investigation.
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January 14, 2020, 09:46 AM
corsairCora might as well resign now and avoid forcing the BoSox from having to show him the door.
January 14, 2020, 10:11 AM
PowerSurgeYeah, I see Cora getting a longer suspension than one year. A lot of people are saying the Trashtros should’ve had their WS win stripped. The fallout from this is just beginning. It won’t be as bad as the strike of 1994-1995 obviously, but it’s gonna get worse from here on out.
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The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1
January 14, 2020, 10:14 AM
jhe888It was cheating, and the Astros deserved a sanction. (I like the Astros, but my fandom is limited. I am not anything like a fan of pro sports.)
But there are greater and lesser infractions in all contexts. Going ten miles an hour over the speed limit is illegal and so is driving drunk through a school zone. But we all recognize that they are different. Sign stealing is legal if done some ways and not if tech is used. I don't think you can argue persuasively that sign stealing is as serious as some other rule infractions might be. But they imposed a sanction that is just under a lifetime ban. That is why I think it is excessive.
The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. January 14, 2020, 10:23 AM
PowerSurgeThe Trashtros didn’t just cheat. They continued to cheat even AFTER the commissioner sent a memo to all teams warning them not to use electronic means after the Red Sox were busted using Apple watches to steal signs. He even stated the penalties would be more severe if caught. The Trashtros basically gave Manfred the finger and said catch us if you (trash) can.
Players stealing signs and communicating them to the batter when standing on second base with hand signals and other signals has been going on since the 1800’s and is legal according to the rules.
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The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1
January 14, 2020, 10:27 AM
corsairquote:
Originally posted by jhe888:Sign stealing is legal if done some ways and not if tech is used. I don't think you can argue persuasively that sign stealing is as serious as some other rule infractions might be. But they imposed a sanction that is just under a lifetime ban. That is why I think it is excessive.
Stealing signs has been around for quite awhile nobody is disputing that, and while introducing technology is new, the players in the league knew or, at the least had some pretty grounded suspicions. And yet, the Astros persisted despite being told by MLB to knock-it-off; this has been an on-going issue for many seasons now. There was plenty of opportunity for the Astros to stop what they were doing, they didn't. Cora, despite the warnings, continued the practice with the Red Sox, to which that investigation will soon uncover how pervasive that was. The crux is, they got caught despite being told to stop, they defied MLB.
January 14, 2020, 10:31 AM
midwest guyI was watching the MLB network last night and surprisingly the consensus was the punishment handed down should have been tougher.
January 14, 2020, 10:49 AM
kingfish007quote:
Originally posted by PowerSurge:
A lot of people are saying the Trashtros should’ve had their WS win stripped.
Yea same for Yankees, Red Sox, Giants, ...
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January 14, 2020, 11:02 AM
maxdogThe Texans lost so bad in the NFL playoff game that they fired the Astros manager!
January 14, 2020, 11:08 AM
RHINOWSOquote:
Originally posted by maxdog:
The Texans lost so bad in the NFL playoff game that they fired the Astros manager!
January 14, 2020, 11:16 AM
fpuhanquote:
Originally posted by corsair:
Stealing signs has been around for quite awhile nobody is disputing that, and while introducing technology is new, the players in the league knew or, at the least had some pretty grounded suspicions. And yet, the Astros persisted despite being told by MLB to knock-it-off; this has been an on-going issue for many seasons now. There was plenty of opportunity for the Astros to stop what they were doing, they didn't. Cora, despite the warnings, continued the practice with the Red Sox, to which that investigation will soon uncover how pervasive that was. The crux is, they got caught despite being told to stop, they defied MLB.
In the "old days," if a team suspected their signs had been stolen, they'd burn a mound visit by the catcher to switch to a new set of signs. Every team has multiple sets of signals.
You can't truly call yourself "peaceful" unless you are capable of great violence. If you're not capable of great violence, you're not peaceful, you're harmless.
NRA Benefactor/Patriot Member January 14, 2020, 11:19 AM
corsairquote:
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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
A lot of people are saying the Trashtros should’ve had their WS win stripped.
Yea same for Yankees, Red Sox, Giants, ...
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Why the Giants?
January 14, 2020, 11:53 AM
kingfish007quote:
Originally posted by corsair:
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Originally posted by kingfish007:
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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
A lot of people are saying the Trashtros should’ve had their WS win stripped.
Yea same for Yankees, Red Sox, Giants, ...
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Why the Giants?
PED
January 14, 2020, 12:15 PM
corsairquote:
Originally posted by kingfish007:
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Originally posted by corsair:
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Originally posted by kingfish007:
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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
A lot of people are saying the Trashtros should’ve had their WS win stripped.
Yea same for Yankees, Red Sox, Giants, ...
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Why the Giants?
PED
What titles did they win during that era?
January 14, 2020, 12:38 PM
kingfish007quote:
Originally posted by corsair:
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Originally posted by kingfish007:
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Originally posted by corsair:
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Originally posted by kingfish007:
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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
A lot of people are saying the Trashtros should’ve had their WS win stripped.
Yea same for Yankees, Red Sox, Giants, ...
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Why the Giants?
PED
What titles did they win during that era?
2012 - Melky Cabrera, Guillermo Mota.
January 14, 2020, 12:44 PM
old rugged crossIt is done guys, history for the Astro's.
Next is the future. The Astro's are a really good ball club. How they do in the future is up to them. They need some pitching help and need to sign Springer. If they do those things they have a good shot at another championship.
I do not care about hearing from Hinch or Lewnow, the Dodgers or anyone else. Just move on. It is done.
"Practice like you want to play in the game"
January 14, 2020, 12:50 PM
bendablequote:
it shows a lack of integrity.
not a single person affiliated in M.L.B. (big business)
has any doubt at all that this crap goes on .
any altruistic baseball fan above the age of 7 knows it
Safety, Situational Awareness and proficiency.
Neck Ties, Hats and ammo brass, Never ,ever touch'em w/o asking first
January 14, 2020, 01:05 PM
VeeperAt one time, the curve ball was considered cheating, which is pretty funny to think about. That being said, I can see no good coming from this discussion.
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.”—H.L. Mencken January 14, 2020, 01:11 PM
corsairquote:
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Originally posted by corsair:
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Originally posted by kingfish007:
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Originally posted by corsair:
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Originally posted by kingfish007:
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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
A lot of people are saying the Trashtros should’ve had their WS win stripped.
Yea same for Yankees, Red Sox, Giants, ...
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Why the Giants?
PED
What titles did they win during that era?
2012 - Melky Cabrera, Guillermo Mota.
Both players were suspended as per MLB, pissed off their teammates who continued to win and was hung out to dry and PNG'd from the organization, they refused to place either on the post-season roster. Yet, you think that title should be taken away as well? The Astros cheating was an organizational issue, Cabrera and Moto were two dumb individuals who openly admitted to PED usage despite a widely publicized, and announced policy. If we're going to take away past rings and pennants for individual stupidity, then there's a whole lot more players than just these two knuckleheads.