Many people in this country are as “phobic” about firearms as anyone anyplace else in the world. There may be a higher percentage of such people in some places (almost anywhere else, as a matter of fact), but their reactions cannot be any more extreme than what we can find any day here. When it comes to personal interactions, I’ve seen far more fascination with talking to someone who is normally armed than snowflake hysteria. Even if they obviously don’t like the idea of private (or any other, for that matter) ownership of firearms, most people have been polite and inquisitive if they didn’t just change the subject. When I tell people I’m a firearms instructor, and especially if I mention my specific law enforcement duties, it’s often met with wide-eyed wonderment, but never have I encountered disgust and censure. YouTube videos obviously make it clear that that’s possible, but I suspect they usually show the small minority fringe.

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Originally posted by tacfoley:

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Originally posted by corsair:There's an incredible phobia over there about firearms. People legitimately freak-out over the mere sight of a armed police officer. For a national culture that prides itself on mischief and 'sticking it to their betters' private ownership for the masses would be jumping the shark.

Let's take this set of misguided statements one ate a time, rationally and politely.

1. There is NO national phobia about firearms, if there was, there would not be upwards of 1800 gun clubs, and almost the same number of shooting ranges in the UK. Nor would there be around 2 million lawful shooters,, many thousands of gun stores, and literally dozens of gun-makers. There would be no Worshipful Company of Gunmakers Guild, either, nor would the Royal family patronise the National Rifle Association. So I think you can shut the door on that one.

2. I've never seen ANYBODY freak out at the sight of an armed police officer, and I go to major airports on a monthly basis where you are most likely to see an armed police officer. Thousands upon thousands of people fail to be freaked out either there, or in any of the major London train stations....

3. You've obviously had much better things to do than to read around 4000 of my posts [yes, 4000] out of my 8000+ posts that deal with gun ownership here in UK, even failing to notice that I have nineteen of the >4.5 million guns myself.

Hope this serves to calm you down, Sir.

tac

Based upon my personal observations and interactions with many residents and ex-pats from the UK, their reactions bordered on a 'phobia' when the topic of firearms came up. While you've pointed out private ownership with accompanying ranges is possible, I'll keep that in mind when the next 'discussion' comes up.

Sir, I give up with you, seeing as how your views are fixed in your mind. Here in UK, shooting sports, both on ranges and in the field, are at an all-time high, with licensing authorities going as far as publishing their waiting times in the national shooting magazines. Our own club has grown at the rate of about 7.5% every year, and the waiting list for noob approval is long.

The Brits continue to nigh-on dominate European and often world-class skeet/trap/clay shooting, with some of the youngest shooters yet to stand on the line.

Our own club had half of its $300K rebuild paid for by the UK government sporting body, and we continue to attract new members at every open day - that's monthly, BTW.

I'm 71 years old, and I've lived here for over half my life, and I have never, repeat, never observed the reaction you claim to have done. Disinterest, sure, but freaking-out phobia?

Nope.

It's happened here before on this great site of ours, that I've encountered closed minds with regards to any or all of what happens over here, but the UK and the USA have been friends a lot longer than enemies, and I'd like to think that you'd see the light from what I have to say from living here, and being deeply involved in the shooting community.

However, if that isn't ever going to happen, I respectfully ask that you retain your views for another thread, where we can discuss it as a sole subject, like Para would wish us to.

tac, who lives in a country where, although there are many restrictions, can have a moderator, night-vision equipment, go shooting 24/7 and have a magazine that holds a million rounds, a rifle that has a bayonet lug [or even a bayonet FIXED to it]...in any colour he likes.

Tac, thanks for the education on Britain's position on firearms!!

I found it interesting and informing to hear from someone who is actively engaged in the firearms community there.

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Tac, thanks for the education on Britain's position on firearms!!

I found it interesting and informing to hear from someone who is actively engaged in the firearms community there.

Thank you, Sir. Your kind words are appreciated.

tac

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Originally posted by bozman:
Pads do not necessarily mean no pulse. Those are put on for many reasons, even as a method of monitoring.

From my training, AED's do not work unless there is a rhythm. Not sure about the units used by EMT's.

Yeah, it's called a defibrillator for a reason. It does not restore pulse to a heart that has stopped beating. It is meant to bring a heartbeat back to a normal rhythm and out of ventricular fibrillation.

Well, not to a heart that has stopped beating due to a couple three holes in it. Hopefully they had the opportunity to lubricate the endotracheal tube with lard before inserting....

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and as an aside, when I was on Active Duty, we sanitized our uniforms too. (no ranks, no last names...we used our first names or nick names-drug dealers don't play games when you're talking 5-10 tons of pure cocaine)

When I worked at OTSG we had Delta Force officers visit. Their uniforms were sterile. Rank but no branch unit and not even a nameplate. We were specifically told not to talk with them. I always wonder d if someone was foolish enough to try a uniform correction.

Did the FBI send some of their crack investigators over there?



http://www.independent.co.uk/n...motive-a7650411.html

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Did the FBI send some of their crack investigators over there?



http://www.independent.co.uk/n...motive-a7650411.html

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
Did the FBI send some of their crack investigators over there?



http://www.independent.co.uk/n...motive-a7650411.html

I'll bet they messed up his order at KFC.

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In between #1 and #2:

Completely ignore Islamic angle of attack

Otherwise, textbook reaction from Europe.

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Originally posted by medic451:

In between #1 and #2:

Completely ignore Islamic angle of attack

Otherwise, textbook reaction from Europe.

Between steps #1 and #3 this list missed a Candlelight Vigil for the victims. Libtards and Denizens of leftist areas seem to love Vigils. You just cannot have a mass murder these days without a Vigil telling the sheep that all will be well if they think happy little snowflake thoughts hard enough...

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Originally posted by corsair:

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Originally posted by tacfoley:

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Originally posted by corsair:There's an incredible phobia over there about firearms. People legitimately freak-out over the mere sight of a armed police officer. For a national culture that prides itself on mischief and 'sticking it to their betters' private ownership for the masses would be jumping the shark.

Let's take this set of misguided statements one ate a time, rationally and politely.

1. There is NO national phobia about firearms, if there was, there would not be upwards of 1800 gun clubs, and almost the same number of shooting ranges in the UK. Nor would there be around 2 million lawful shooters,, many thousands of gun stores, and literally dozens of gun-makers. There would be no Worshipful Company of Gunmakers Guild, either, nor would the Royal family patronise the National Rifle Association. So I think you can shut the door on that one.

2. I've never seen ANYBODY freak out at the sight of an armed police officer, and I go to major airports on a monthly basis where you are most likely to see an armed police officer. Thousands upon thousands of people fail to be freaked out either there, or in any of the major London train stations....

3. You've obviously had much better things to do than to read around 4000 of my posts [yes, 4000] out of my 8000+ posts that deal with gun ownership here in UK, even failing to notice that I have nineteen of the >4.5 million guns myself.

Hope this serves to calm you down, Sir.

tac

Based upon my personal observations and interactions with many residents and ex-pats from the UK, their reactions bordered on a 'phobia' when the topic of firearms came up. While you've pointed out private ownership with accompanying ranges is possible, I'll keep that in mind when the next 'discussion' comes up.

Sorry, but I have to disagree with this last statement in the quote.
I'm an expat, take a look at my CUT, and I know many British and Irish expats, who are living here.
Every single one of them owns a pistol, shotgun, or rifle, or all three.
Non of them freak out over the sight or thought of a firearm.

It is just so monstrously sad how that f*ckin' murdering POS has reached back from hell to take another innocent life.

RIP, Lady.

tac