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Originally posted by justjoe:
20 years ago I sat in an academic conference in which a Hispanic professor said-- proudly-- that "La Raza" would reclaim ( the"reconquista") California just through the power of numbers as Mexicans crossed the Rio Grande and settled in California. No battles, no fighting, just simply take it over.

America would just give up one of its biggest states? Meekly hand it over? It seemed a bit far fetched then.


Not only has it been given up, they are patting them selves on the back for it. Pathetic.


I have posted before, the instructor of the class before mine (same room) some kind of social science course, left his material on the board (which I had to erase to start my class), "you owe more allegiance to La Raza than you do to America".




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I have posted before, the instructor of the class before mine (same room) some kind of social science course, left his material on the board (which I had to erase to start my class), "you owe more allegiance to La Raza than you do to America".
That is one individual who might benefit greatly from a beating.


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On 700WLW last evening, 100,000 illegals in the state of Kentucky. Similar numbers for Ohio and Indiana. While some live on Government benefits, the warehouses like Amazon and old Ebay are loaded with them. Some nation wide recruiting outfit called SMX places a lot of them. They aint just mexicans any more here to pick vegetables. I saw several males over the weekend cruising around in a new E cab Tundra truck. They sure cant say they are mistreated.
 
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I think we are on a sliding scale of time and violence, where more time = more violence. We are going to have to respond to the takeover of America sooner or later. If we do it sooner, it will mostly involve a political, cultural response (such as building the wall) and not violence. If we fail to respond with legislation-- positive steps like ending "sanctuary cities"-- it will ultimately descend into widespread violence.


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If we do it sooner, it will mostly involve a political, cultural response (such as building the wall) and not violence.

You are right... but there is no appetite for doing the right thing among our politicians. They won't even fund the border wall in their $1.3 trillion spendapolooza ... but they ARE funding loads more welfare for illegals.

We will continue to slide down the sliding scale of time and violence...


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Born and raised in Merced County California. Grew up in right in the middle of the area the author is describing.

I have not been back in 25 years, but I can easily picture the scenes the author lays out. It is probably even worse than what is written. Water. That is what is the key issue is for that farming area.
The water is now being governed by people who don't know what they are doing and follow a different agenda.
 
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California is neither seceding from the US nor splitting up.

The US wouldn't allow a secession, and could do any number of things to prevent it (look at how well that worked out for the last set of states that tried it.)

And both the state and federal governments would have to approve any split, and likely neither would.

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I applaud The Jefferson movement.



https://www.hcn.org/issues/50....e-state-of-jefferson

I think it's a growing movement... and it's much more likely that Cali would split into 2 or 3 states than secession from the US.

Why? Well, because much of California is federal land, and the San Diego Naval base is very valuable to the US.
 
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I drive about 40,000 miles a year in California, and I agree with most of the article. I exercise often in the olive groves of Corning, and while on those runs, pass piles of old furniture and bags of trash. It is a cultural thing, where the Mexicans see nothing wrong with dumping trash by the wayside. To be fair, I grew up in SW Virginia, and when I was young, many of the older generation did the same thing. They would cart piles of trash in their pickups and dump them off the mountain roads. There needs to be cultural shift to change that behavior.

I do believe the article fails to make the correct assumptions regarding the demise of the small farming towns. The increase in mechanization in farming is inevitable, and what is happening in these small towns is no different than the same result in states like Texas, Oklahoma, and other plains states. Texas is full of near ghost towns surrounded by corporate farms. This has nothing to do with government policies in California; it is quite the opposite. The advance of technology and efficiency affecting the whole farming industry.

I believe the San Joaquin has been over planted for decades. It is supporting more agriculture than the water supplies can sustainably supply, and some of it must go fallow. There is a reason the south end of the valley (Kern County) has subsided 15-20 feet since the 80's, and that reason is the emptying of the aquifer. Almond farming needs to go to an environment that is more native to the almond tree, since the amount of water required via irrigation is unsustainable for San Joaquin almond farming.

The real problem is that the social programs are so generous that it supports impoverished people staying in these places after the industry and farming no longer needs them. Being in a trailer park in the central valley with a 1988 pickup, cell phone, free healthcare, and EBT card is far superior to living in the chaos of rural Mexico with no services and unrestricted drug cartels. Therefore, these dying towns are still a draw for Mexico's impoverished, and create ever more demand for government services.

Bottom line: It's an immigration problem. Trump gets it.



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California is neither seceding from the US nor splitting up.

The US wouldn't allow a secession, and could do any number of things to prevent it (look at how well that worked out for the last set of states that tried it.)

And both the state and federal governments would have to approve any split, and likely neither would.

You are right about secession, which was also my point. However, a split into 2 or 3 states is very possible once a majority wants it. Yes, it would have to clear both the CA legislature and the US Congress, and the US Congress would be the more difficult of the two, but it's been done before and I could see a scenario where it would be approved. There are a growing number of both libs and conservatives, R's and D's who see a reason for a division.

Still, when it gets down to the nitty gritty, actually drawing the map, it may break down.


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As ibexsig alluded to above, water rather than politics will wind up being the real dividing lines should a split occur. It will also be the biggest source of resistance, since all of the lotus eaters tend to live downriver from the conservatives out there.
 
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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:

I do believe the article fails to make the correct assumptions regarding the demise of the small farming towns. The increase in mechanization in farming is inevitable, and what is happening in these small towns is no different than the same result in states like Texas, Oklahoma, and other plains states. Texas is full of near ghost towns surrounded by corporate farms. This has nothing to do with government policies in California; it is quite the opposite. The advance of technology and efficiency affecting the whole farming industry.

Yeah, the increase in farm size and the decline of rural communities is happening all over the country, but I thought the issue was productive land lying fallow.

I believe the San Joaquin has been over planted for decades. It is supporting more agriculture than the water supplies can sustainably supply, and some of it must go fallow. There is a reason the south end of the valley (Kern County) has subsided 15-20 feet since the 80's, and that reason is the emptying of the aquifer. Almond farming needs to go to an environment that is more native to the almond tree, since the amount of water required via irrigation is unsustainable for San Joaquin almond farming.

I don’t know anything about almond growing, and you may well be right on the money, but isn’t a huge part of the problem with agriculture in California the fact that Southern California and LA in particular continues what it started over 80 years ago—by hook, crook, attorney, and fountain pen, acquiring more and more water rights to keep the monster growing?

The real problem is that the social programs are so generous that it supports impoverished people staying in these places after the industry and farming no longer needs them. Being in a trailer park in the central valley with a 1988 pickup, cell phone, free healthcare, and EBT card is far superior to living in the chaos of rural Mexico with no services and unrestricted drug cartels. Therefore, these dying towns are still a draw for Mexico's impoverished, and create ever more demand for government services.

Bottom line: It's an immigration problem. Trump gets it.
Yes sir! to the last two paragraphs.


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I thought of this. Some of the counties that had there water stolen by Los Angeles, might take the opportunity to take it back.

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As ibexsig alluded to above, water rather than politics will wind up being the real dividing lines should a split occur. It will also be the biggest source of resistance, since all of the lotus eaters tend to live downriver from the conservatives out there.
 
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Check out Adam Carolla's interview with Gavin Newsome. Gavin is an entitled douchebag and had zero answers during Adam's nearly hour long interview. I can't imagine how blind one must be to not see that what is happening in CA is really, really bad...


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I see this in NY also. While NYC is booming, a lot of the state (upstate) is hollowing out. But the higher level politicritters only deal with the big cities.

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Check out Adam Carolla's interview with Gavin Newsome. Gavin is an entitled douchebag and had zero answers during Adam's nearly hour long interview. I can't imagine how blind one must be to not see that what is happening in CA is really, really bad...
 
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don't ever, ever, ever count on politicians to fix the problem - they're the cause

I'm afraid that the solution is going to be violence, when I don't know

and for everyone that says that violence is never the answer, sometimes its the only solution that works



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Perhaps, but right now violence would only make the lotus eatin' Commies victims, and portraying themselves as victims could make it possible for them to remain politically viable long after their politics would have turned them into pariahs. Sometimes its just as well to let the rot do the work for you for a while.
 
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With the ever increasing amount of income taxes I'm paying over the last few years, I'll soon be in a position to move over to Cali and enjoy all the free moneys and what-not.

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Very nice read and thanks for sharing.
IMHO: California got what they voted for. I fully understand that everyone in California didn't vote for these political thugs or agree with their perverted philosophy, but obviously there are enough voters that do agree with whats going on in California on local, county, state and federal political levels and governmental agencies. California needs to do what they keep threatening to do; succeed from the union! Please follow through with your promises. We will all be better off. And while you're succeeding, please take New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Oregon, Washington State and every other progressive, liberal, social leaning state with you.
Please leave the rest of us alone, leave our constitution, laws and rules alone. Flood yourselves with illegals, refugees, transgenders, gays, lesbians, socialist, communist, ANTIFA, black panthers, Bernie and Hillary lovers, safe spacers, snowflakes and every other wack a do be. But leave the rest of us alone!
Good Riddance!


Well... not really.

We have a proposition system here. Get enough signatures and you can put something up for vote.

We passed 187 & 209 overwhelmingly, a landslide in favor. No welfare for illegals.

So, this one party State judge shopped (patently illegal to do) and with the stroke of a pen, an activist judge silenced the voice of the majority.

We burned up the phone lines to the Capitol and denied drivers licenses to illegals, and guess what, they got 'em anyway and now our California license is valueless for ID.

No motor voter we demanded, but we were assured that it wouldn't lead to voter registration so they did it.

Now they are automatically registered (as democrats). Imagine that, non citizens voting and being rewarded with all forms of welfare they never paid into with taxes. Perhaps payola for voting dem?

In our case, we are being smothered by out of control tyrannical democrats, breaking the law and the public trust with impunity.

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don't ever, ever, ever count on politicians to fix the problem - they're the cause

I'm afraid that the solution is going to be violence, when I don't know

and for everyone that says that violence is never the answer, sometimes its the only solution that works
Heinlein thought highly of it:
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“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
― Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers


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