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^^^ Confused You have to sleep with Hillary whenever she wants you to so that she doesn't complain to Chelsea?
 
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North Korea could reportedly wreak havoc with high-altitude nuclear blast



A former U.S. ambassador wrote an op-ed in The Wall Street Journal Friday warning that North Korea’s nuclear threat is not limited to a bomb striking a U.S. city.

A nuclear bomb that detonates 40 miles above a target (and hundreds of miles away) could deliver serious consequences, Henry F. Cooper, who was the director of the Strategic Defense initiative under President George H.W. Bush, wrote.

He pointed to the time the U.S. detonated nuclear warhead 900 miles southwest of Hawaii. It was 1962 and the high-altitude nuclear bomb “destroyed hundreds of street lights in Honolulu, caused electrical surges on airplanes in the area and damaged at least six satellites.”

Russian generals reported back in 2004 that North Korea has in its possession the designs for these so-called “super EMP nuclear weapons,” th op-ed said. At around that time, Congress put together a commission to study such an explosion, and determined that there would be no effects on the ground, but the high-altitude electromagnetic pulse would render “critical electricity-dependent infrastructure” inoperable.

The op-ed raises questions about whether or not North Korea ran a “dry run” recently, when a medium-range missile reportedly exploded midflight in what was seen as a failure. The article questions if the missile was deliberately detonated.

The op-ed mentions that some analysts say that Pyongyang is far from launching a viable EMP attack on the U.S. or South Korea. But the EMP may be a more realistic option for Pyongyang, because there is little need for accuracy.

The op-ed pointed to a report that said “even a balloon-lofted warhead detonated at 30 kilometers altitude could blackout the Eastern Grid that supports most of the population and generates 75 percent of US electricity.”

“Detonation at that altitude of a nuclear warhead with a yield of 10 to 20 kilotons—similar to those tested by North Korea—would produce major EMP effects and inflict catastrophic damage to unhardened electronics across hundreds of miles of surface territory. It is a myth that large yield nuclear weapons of hundreds of kilotons are required to produce such effects,” he writes.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2...e-nuclear-blast.html
 
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The little punk has no intention of starting a war he can't win . His sabre rattling is purely for show . Food , fuel oil , and international recognition is what he wants and usually gets when he does this crap .
 
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If you have read "One Second After" and the follow-up books, the aftermath of an EMP strike is frightening.
 
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I did Bert the Turtle drills in Fairbanks and Anchorage in the 60s. Before I'm fucking vaporized by the NORK my final question is it thermo, new, clee, are or thermo, new, clarr and dribbel on your shirt?
 
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Any engagement with the North that doesn't end with Seoul basically destroyed and hordes of southern deaths will be amazing. So many people there, so close. Way to many to evacuate, too, and it's too far away and too many of them to find safety anyway.


From what I've read, North Korea has thousands of artillery pieces in caves/bunkers dialed in or Seoul. In a single hour, they could put millions of rounds downtown, effectively obliterating the South Korean capital. This is the NorKs' 'insurance policy' that keeps the allies from making a first move. Any such first move would guarantee the destruction of the capital (maybe this is a good reason that you shouldn't establish ANY major city, ESPECIALLY your political and economic capital, within arty range of a homicidal adversary? Roll Eyes ).


Blame the State Department. With the end of WWII we and the Russians moved into Korea to accept the surrender of the Japanese. State had to find a demarcation line to keep the two forces separate. They wanted us to get the capital but didn't want to tell the Russians to move back from where they were. That's why the 38th parallel was chosen. There are no geographic obstacles, just a wide valley leading straight to Seoul. From OP Dora, in the DMZ, you get a great view of the capital.



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Any engagement with the North that doesn't end with Seoul basically destroyed and hordes of southern deaths will be amazing. So many people there, so close. Way to many to evacuate, too, and it's too far away and too many of them to find safety anyway.


From what I've read, North Korea has thousands of artillery pieces in caves/bunkers dialed in or Seoul. In a single hour, they could put millions of rounds downtown, effectively obliterating the South Korean capital. This is the NorKs' 'insurance policy' that keeps the allies from making a first move. Any such first move would guarantee the destruction of the capital (maybe this is a good reason that you shouldn't establish ANY major city, ESPECIALLY your political and economic capital, within arty range of a homicidal adversary? Roll Eyes ).


Blame the State Department. With the end of WWII we and the Russians moved into Korea to accept the surrender of the Japanese. State had to find a demarcation line to keep the two forces separate. They wanted us to get the capital but didn't want to tell the Russians to move back from where they were. That's why the 38th parallel was chosen. There are no geographic obstacles, just a wide valley leading straight to Seoul. From OP Dora, in the DMZ, you get a great view of the capital.


The artillery is definitely a big issue. In regards to ballistic missiles, SCUDs and NO DONGs are the most likely to be successful. Lots of South Koreans would die. These can range parts of Japan.

A successful strike on the US is highly unlikely. Plus we just successfully shot an ICBM out of the sky a few weeks ago. We also have extensive missile defenses on peninsula and in Japan.

All in all, South Korea and Japan have a lot more to worry about. If NK did anything stupid they would likely no longer exist. Especially if they happened to successfully use a nuke. The regime wants to reunite the peninsula and stay in control.

The dynamic will of course continuously change. Their solid fuel missile testing is troubling.


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18 months after a huge cash payment to iran north korea makes remarkable progress in their missile program? Follow the money- That's the real story.


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Just an FYI, the threat of war with NK has been going on for decades. In 1994 when I was almost at the end of my enlistment and ready to get out, I thought the AF might extend me and not let me out due to war breaking out. We were getting daily, classified briefings on the possibility of war with NK. Here we are 23 years later still in the same situation.
 
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You have to look at the strategy of moving most of your resources to the NK area and out of the EMP area of the USA.

I read that Russia gave them the plans for the improved EMP capability.


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The little punk has no intention of starting a war he can't win . His sabre rattling is purely for show . Food , fuel oil , and international recognition is what he wants and usually gets when he does this crap .


Or the little cartoon character dictator could actually be batshit crazy. Lil' Kim has already, and on numerous occasions, shown himself to be a true sociopath, would being completely detached from reality really be a stretch?

Batshit crazy adds all kinds of exciting possibilities where nuclear weapons are concerned. Maybe he thinks he can win. maybe he wants to see the world burn. Maybe he's taking orders from a spider he keeps in a jar in his bedroom. Irrational unpredictability is what make batshit crazy so much fun.

Nuclear weapons depend on the nation, or leader, who is least stable to maintain the peace.

Just how stable do you think Lil' Kim really is.

I'm not really addressing Selogic directly, just using his quote. It seems most people are prepared to write Lil' Kim's behavior off as bluster to simply gain concessions from the West. Personally I think Lil' Kim is batshit crazy.
 
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What if Li'l Kim weren't there any more? 'Nuff said.

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