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Seven US Sailors are missing after a US Navy destroyer collided with a 21,000 ton cargo ship 56 miles off the coast of Japan. Login/Join 
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...merchant-vessel.html



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First ship I was on had just a few Standing Orders,

One was, " try not to hit anything big"

I shit you not. One of the best skippers I ever served with.



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Saw this being reported, but nothing was mentioned about missing sailors.

How in the world, in this modern age of technology, does ANYone t-bone a US Naval warship?


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A collision at sea should be impossible, assuming a competent bridge crew. USN has so many watchstanders, with an OOD, Conning Officer, lookouts, folks down below in CIC watching the radars, etc.

Standing watch on the bridge involves constant scanning of the horizon, both with 7x50 binos and naked eye, looking for CBDR (constant bearing, decreasing range) contacts. Standing orders usually involve waking the Captain when contacts are going to be within certain range. In heavy traffic areas, there are more folks involved.

Which is why a bunch of people are going to be rightfully fired, at minimum, and maybe court-martialed. As it should be.



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i hope the sailors are ok but it looks like walmart is going to be short on product





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holy crap....thats not gonna buff out...



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A collision at sea should be impossible, assuming a competent bridge crew. USN has so many watchstanders, with an OOD, Conning Officer, lookouts, folks down below in CIC watching the radars, etc.

Standing watch on the bridge involves constant scanning of the horizon, both with 7x50 binos and naked eye, looking for CBDR (constant bearing, decreasing range) contacts. Standing orders usually involve waking the Captain when contacts are going to be within certain range. In heavy traffic areas, there are more folks involved.

Which is why a bunch of people are going to be rightfully fired, at minimum, and maybe court-martialed. As it should be.


A lot of people are probably wondering how this is going to turn out, and how their careers just ended.

Not to mention the thought of doing some quality time in Leavenworth.

No damned excuse for this shit!


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Good hopes to the Missing and any injured sailers.
 
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Originally posted by slabsides45:
Saw this being reported, but nothing was mentioned about missing sailors.

How in the world, in this modern age of technology, does ANYone t-bone a US Naval warship?


I'm going to guess Navy doesn't squawk their location via AIS like most ships for obvious reasons, but still...




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Saw this being reported, but nothing was mentioned about missing sailors.

How in the world, in this modern age of technology, does ANYone t-bone a US Naval warship?


I'm going to guess Navy doesn't squawk their location via AIS like most ships for obvious reasons, but still...


It's on the Navy ship to avoid this kind of thing.

Radar, look outs, watchstanders. Assuming of course they didn't have some sort of power plant casualty / they were adrift at the time of the collision, but considering they are underway now, that seems highly unlikely.

Lotsa heads gonna roll, justifiably. Doubt anyone is going to Leavenworth however.
 
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dreadnaught is correct. Looking at the damage, this was entirely the fault of the destroyer. Nautical rules of the road have at least one thing in common with automobiles in the US - when you get to an intersection at the same time, the car/ship on the right has the right-of-way, and the car/ship on the left stays clear. If you've got damage on your right side, you've managed to do absolutely everything wrong.


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dreadnaught is correct. Looking at the damage, this was entirely the fault of the destroyer. Nautical rules of the road have at least one thing in common with automobiles in the US - when you get to an intersection at the same time, the car/ship on the right has the right-of-way, and the car/ship on the left stays clear. If you've got damage on your right side, you've managed to do absolutely everything wrong.


I have very limited knowledge of maritime rules, but I always thought that sailing ships had right of way first, then powered vessels determined by size.



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And honestly, it doesn't matter who had the 'right of way'. That's an expensive warship fitted with the most modern sensors, to include surface search radar capabilities.

They should have had that container ship on radar for quite some time and taken steps to easily avoid it, regardless who had the right of way.

No telling if the OOD was sleeping, getting a cup of coffee, or banging the YN3 on the copy machine when this happened, but the whole bridge crew screwed the fucking pooch and the CO/XO are done. Not to mention the lives more than likely lost.

I'm not a zero defect kinda guy, minor things happen. But this was a fuckup of epic proportions.
 
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This old retired Zoomie sends his best wishes and condolences to all affected, fellow sailors, friends, and familiy.

May God Bless.




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I always wondered how two ships, that big, are ever allowed close enough for an a accident unless intentional.




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dreadnaught is correct. Looking at the damage, this was entirely the fault of the destroyer. Nautical rules of the road have at least one thing in common with automobiles in the US - when you get to an intersection at the same time, the car/ship on the right has the right-of-way, and the car/ship on the left stays clear. If you've got damage on your right side, you've managed to do absolutely everything wrong.


I have very limited knowledge of maritime rules, but I always thought that sailing ships had right of way first, then powered vessels determined by size.


No, sailing ships do not have right of way first.

And without any more details, it's not easy to say at this point what caused the collision.

Here's the AIS track of the Container ship ACX Crystal at the moment of collision.



The ACX Crystal is 730 feet long and 39,565 Deadweight tons.


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The CO was incapacitated in the incident and was being flown off for treatment. He took over in May, after being XO.

The photos show damage to the port side of the pointy end of the cargo carrier.

It'll be interesting to see the radar tracks of these two, and associated helm commands.




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CDR Benson became CO of DDG 62 on 13 May 2017.

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