Gitmo?


Ez

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Originally posted by agony:
Breaking news, shooter is still alive and in custody.

This is confirmed on CNN, the shooter survived being shot by police.

Well, that is CERTAINLY not the fellow linked in the earlier Facebook discussion.

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Originally posted by AllenInWV:
This should be interesting. So I'm guessing this'll be a federal crime? Or court-martial? The Army DOES have the death penalty, right?

Yes it does but it will never happen. PC will prevail and he will spend the rest of his life in the SHU at Leavenworth, just like Asan Akbar.

Unconfirmed, heard he killed a SWAT member. If true, he would face TX capital murder charges which carries the death penalty.

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Originally posted by MTJbyrd:
What is this? Monty Python? He's not dead yet?
Our news media is completely screwed up. Reminds me of those coal miners who were saved, but weren't.

First reports are always filled with inaccuracies. Nothing new, nothing unexpected. Perfection is a construct of our imaginations.

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Originally posted by Ezra:
Gitmo?


Ez

Most likely the United States Disciplinary Barracks A.K.A. Leavenworth, or maybe the ADX Florence.

Here's my theory: The guy's ticket to the good life was the Army, which sent him through medical school and gave him experience. When it started to look like he might be deployed and sent out of the country, he didn't want to go. He didn't want to dress up like a woman, like Klinger on M*A*S*H*, so he made anti-war, anti-Army, anti-mission statements instead, hoping that it would keep him here in the states. When that didn't work, he snapped.

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Originally posted by tanksoldier:

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Even officers living in on post housing could have weapons at their residence.

Were you armed at the PX? Sitting in your office? Even when you had an issued weapon, how often did you have ammo? Virtually never.

99% of personnel on a military base are unarmed and have no ready access to arms.

Getting ON post with weapons is easy, I've actually driven on Ft Carson with a loaded shotgun that I forgot to take out of the truck. As with everything except highly secure areas military physical security is of the "Put a guard at the gate and hope nothing actually happens" variety.

this bit:

"I'm sure I don't know how this could have happened, since private weapons are severely restricted on post."

Makes it sound like this perp smuggled weapons past a barrage of gate checks/ could not have a POW on post, or would have to sign out the weapons, when in fact he (commissioned officer) could have gone to his BOQ/on post housing, tucked his properly documented pistol/s in his belt with a dozen mags and done the terrible shit he did. CC, yep, not gonna legally happen on post... Go into my on post housing, retrieve what I need to start murdering folks, yep, real easy.

You can bet Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan will be a national hero in the radical middle East. I'm trying to find some news reports from the middle East, but without success so far.

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Makes it sound like this perp smuggled weapons past a barrage of gate checks/ could not have a POW on post, or would have to sign out the weapons, when in fact he (commissioned officer) could have gone to his BOQ/on post housing, tucked his properly documented pistol/s in his belt with a dozen mags and done the terrible shit he did. CC, yep, not gonna legally happen on post... Go into my on post housing, retrieve what I need to start murdering folks, yep, real easy.

That was my point. Authorized or not, getting a weapon on post is easy and carrying it illegally is easy... and except for MPs virtually no one on post is able to LEGALLY defend themselves. Fish in a barrel.

The "security plan" relies upon stopping them at the perimeter, which is laughable. Easy enough to drive thru a gate with a weapon, as I said above I've done it accidentally myself, which HAVE guards and there are HUNDREDS of miles of unguarded perimeter for most military installations... or the nut job could be authorized a weapon in his quarters.

I know these aren't nuclear secrets, but there isn't much benefit in pointing out security deficiencies at our military installations. . .

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:
I know these aren't nuclear secrets, but there isn't much benefit in pointing out security deficiencies at our military installations. . .

Sure there is, the top of the Military is no different than any other insulated bureaucracy. It will not change unless pressure is applied from an exterior source. Open discussion can create the pressure needed to change behavior.

My friend is stationed at Fort Hood, and is okay.

The shooter is alive and in custody! Good, death by hostile fire is what he wanted and he didn't get it. It will be interesting to see if he gets the DP or not, I actually think there is a fairly good chance that he gets A. Military justice (better chance of conviction, civy prosecution will defer) and B. Death, despite hippy protests. If ever someone needed the death penalty, this guy is it. Unfortunately martyring him is a down side to that. Might lead to him getting life.

Not to distract from this horrific incident at Ft.Hood, those not from Texas may not be familiar with the prior mass murder that occurred in Killeen, TX which is located next to Ft. Hood (the base is the towns' major economic influence). Hearing that civilans were killed & wounded as well, this event will be hard for the folks near Ft. Hood who have emotionally dealt with this type of violence in the past.

"On October 16, 1991, Hennard drove his 1987 Ford Ranger pickup truck through the front window of a Luby's Cafeteria at 1705 East Central Texas Expressway in Killeen, yelled "This is what Belton did to me!", then opened fire on the restaurant's patrons and staff with a Glock 17 pistol and later a Ruger P89. He stalked, shot, and killed 23 people and wounded another 20 before committing suicide. About 80 people were in the restaurant at the time. The first victim was local veterinarian Dr. Michael Griffith, who ran up to the driver's side of the pickup truck to offer assistance after the truck came through the window. During the shooting, Hennard approached Suzanna Hupp and her parents. Hupp had brought a handgun to the Luby's Cafeteria that day but had left it in her vehicle because laws in force at the time forbade the carrying of firearms. According to her later testimony her father charged at Hennard in an attempt to subdue him but was gunned down; a short time later, Hupp's mother was also shot and killed.[1][2][3] One patron, Tommy Vaughn, threw himself through a plate-glass window to allow others to escape.[4] Hennard allowed a mother and her four-year-old child to leave. He reloaded several times and still had ammunition remaining when he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head after being cornered and wounded by police.

Reacting to the massacre,[8] in 1995 the Texas Legislature passed a shall-issue gun law, which requires that all qualifying applicants be issued a Concealed Handgun License (Texas's required permit to carry concealed weapons), removing the personal discretion of the issuing authority to deny such licenses. The law had been campaigned for by Suzanna Hupp, who was present at the Luby's massacre where both of her parents were shot and killed. Hupp later expressed sadness for abiding by the law in question by leaving her firearm in her car rather than keeping it on her person.[1] Hupp testified across the country in support of concealed-handgun laws, and was elected to the Texas House of Representatives in 1996.[9] The law was signed by then-Governor George W. Bush and became part of a broad movement to allow U.S. citizens to carry concealed firearms."

Shot multiple times and in stable condition...

I just hope that we can have the truth about identity and motive unfiltered by political interests for once.

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Originally posted by dgwiggans:
Unconfirmed, heard he killed a SWAT member. If true, he would face TX capital murder charges which carries the death penalty.

It depends on jurisdiction. Most military bases are exclusive jurisdiction, which means Federal Court for civilians and military court for military. State jurisdiction only exists if there is concurrent jurisdiction for the base or that portion of the base. At one base I was stationed at, if you were a civilian and arrested on the east side of base (for DWI as example) you were charged and tried in state court due to concurrent jurisdiction. If you were arrested for the same crime on the west side of the base, you were charged/tried in Federal court.

it was a lady cop that shot him, she was also shot.. if i catch her name on tv im sending her a box of candy or maybe a vermont teddybear

It's now being reported that the FBI was onto this guy six MONTHS ago. Just like the fact at least two FBI agents were onto the 9/11 plot but the message never got upstairs to decision-makers.
It seems to me that after billions have been spent on "homeland security" nothing's been done to clear up those lines of communication.