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I've studied the Right to Keep and Bear Arms for years. I've written a number of articles on the topic. I've discussed it with whomever was interested. I've learned a lot from talking to not only the average supposed supporter, but also the heads of a few organizations. Few understand that the 2nd is a very small part of the DUTY/Right, which makes it almost impossible for us to win the battle to maintain all our rights.
I’ve heard it many times that if they try to take my guns I’ll fight. That is delusional as these supposed warriors want nothing at all to do with the first 13 words of the amendment that tells us why the Framers added the 2nd to bolster what they recognized at Article 1, § 8, Cls. 15 & 16. How do you maintain “a free state” is you not only deny, but also disparage your Duty?
The question is pertinent because beside the fact that we’re fighting a loosing battle, we refuse to see what is right in front of our face and recognize how critical the battle to reserve the Republic has become?

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Here is the link to the article from op’s link.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com...ity-politics-article


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Dem Rising Star Stacey Abrams Calls for Revolution Against Whites

Stacey Abrams, the rising Democrat star, wrote a long Communist manifesto calling for a revolution against whites in her 22-page essay written for Foreign Affairs last Friday. She is one of the New Democrat Party leaders who use identity politics as a cudgel to tear us apart while pretending it will unite us.

Incoherently, she writes, “the less we have in common the more united we will be.” Most of her article is illogical and dishonest. It’s entirely vile as she calls for all the identity groups to overthrow the only people left out of her purported victimized classes — whites.

As you read this, understand this is what the Democrat Party wants for you and for this nation.

Abrams was chosen by the Democrat Party to give the rebuttal to the State of the Union so make no mistake her hard-left ideology is the direction they have chosen.

The icon of the new left is dividing America into groups based on identities including race, ethnicity, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, and even disability status. The only thing that matters is the ability to claim a trait that blesses one with victimhood status.

The only worth is victimhood and a special identity, not hard work, intelligence, commitment, or talent, is what makes a person an entitled, worthy person. It is what grants people a government special status, benefits, and respect.

Many of these groups she mentions are not marginalized and never were. Whites, in general, don’t see them as victims. Immigrants and Hispanics, for instance, don’t see themselves as marginalized which is why the left goes to illegal immigrants.

TUCKER CLARIFIES SO WELL

Tucker Carlson discussed her article on his show.

He gets to the essence of her article, ‘Identity Politics Strengthens Democracy.‘ Carlson said on his show Wednesday evening, “…if you want to understand what the Democratic party seeks for this country you ought to read the piece.”

“Abrams spends the bulk of the piece calling on what she describes as the ‘marginalized’ to unite against the ‘dominant groups,'” he explained.

“So who is marginalized and who is dominant?” Carlson asked. “It’s not a small question, in the scheme of identity politics it is the only question that matters. Everything rides on who was the victim and who is the oppressor, that’s the entire equation. And Abrams spells out the answer in very clear language. The marginalized, she writes, include “women, Native Americans, African-Americans, immigrants, and the LGBTQ community.”

“The dominant are [sic] everyone who is left, so do the subtraction,” Carlson concluded.

“That’s only one group, you know exactly who they are and so does Stacey Abrams. She says these people, these unnamed people, are responsible for the suffering of everyone else and we need to overthrow them. She uses the language of violence and war to describe what must come next: “politics is the most effective method of revolt.”

“Revolt. People get hurt in revolts, that’s the nature of revolts. Stacey Abrams knows that she wants one anyway, she doesn’t hide it. Demagoguery like this would make a kind of sense if your only interest was in winning elections and you didn’t care about what happened afterward, that’s where Democrats are right now.

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http://www.independentsentinel...tion-against-whites/


"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
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I've read the article, and listened to Tucker regarding what that that racist commie said. But TheShootist, please clarify a bit more your saying.



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The only thing I take away from that article is that "rising star" is the new Libspeak for "LOSER".




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I've read the article, and listened to Tucker regarding what that that racist commie said. But TheShootist, please clarify a bit more your saying.


The Framers added the 2nd amendment to bolster Article 1, § 8, Cls. 15 & 16 so that the DUTY/RKBA could not be taken from the authority of Militia, which, by State statutes, is the whole people; The entire community, with the authority "to execute the Laws of the Union".
In order for sovereignty to remain in the hands of the People, the Framers incorporated Militia as the authority of the People. The idea was that the State could not create unconstitutional acts without the fear of the People prosecuting supposed representatives who violated the Constitution and the rule of law.
Simply put, the Framers did not want government “officials” to have the power to prosecute without the approval or power of the People. They recognized Militia as “necessary to the security of a free State” so that we could thwart any attempts at growing tyranny.
Over the years we’ve been mislead to believe that the National Guard could be Militia. That is constitutionally impossible. We’ve also been led to believe that the final authority on a law is the Supreme Court, when in fact the recognition of Militia was so that we could muster, march down to the court house, protect jury’s from corruption by the State, and arrest a judge or prosecutor for denying the rights of people through unconstitutional acts.
I’ve suggested many times that people read the works of Dr. Edwin Vieira on the subject, and how to stem the tide of gun control. He’s written more on the subject that any other person or entity.

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The Second Amendment reads, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State…”
The men who wrote the amendment defined it as they personally experienced, and recognized; All able-bodied men were required to keep arms, and train. All others were support, and only those who were exempt by statute were excused.
All able-bodied men were required to own and keep in good working order a weapon that was suitable for military service that would be inspected on a regular basis by the county Militia lieutenant.
 
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Are you huffing paint for breakfast?

I have no idea what you're trying to say.


That makes at least two of us.


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The Second Amendment reads, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State…”
The men who wrote the amendment defined it as they personally experienced, and recognized; All able-bodied men were required to keep arms, and train. All others were support, and only those who were exempt by statute were excused.
All able-bodied men were required to own and keep in good working order a weapon that was suitable for military service that would be inspected on a regular basis by the county Militia lieutenant.


I get it.

You post an eye catching title and then reel us in for your weekly lecture on the 2A, that you have studied for years on the subject, that the rest of us do not know as much as you, etc. etc.

So again, what's this got to do with Abram's war against whitey?



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If you can't say it in plain English, don't say it at all.


The Second Amendment reads, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State…”
The men who wrote the amendment defined it as they personally experienced, and recognized; All able-bodied men were required to keep arms, and train. All others were support, and only those who were exempt by statute were excused.
All able-bodied men were required to own and keep in good working order a weapon that was suitable for military service that would be inspected on a regular basis by the county Militia lieutenant.


I get it.

You post an eye catching title and then reel us in for your weekly lecture on the 2A, that you have studied for years on the subject, that the rest of us do not know as much as you, etc. etc.

So again, what's this got to do with Abram's war against whitey?


This is a pretty common tactic that the OP pulls in the gun control forum where he spends most of his time.

Anytime you call him out, he expounds on how smart he is and how much he studied. Anyone who disagrees “doesn’t get it”, “needs to wake up” etc.

I personally DO NOT want to require anything to do with the Second Amendment. Able bodied or not, I do not want the government “requiring” anything.

As to the “war on whitey”, it ll be a short one if it comes to blows.


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So again, what's this got to do with Abram's war against whitey?

I think that we're supossed to " muster, march down to the courthouse" and "arrest" Abrams. Roll Eyes




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So again, what's this got to do with Abram's war against whitey?

I think that we're supossed to " muster, march down to the courthouse" and "arrest" Abrams. Roll Eyes


That's cool, but first I'll need the militia lieutenant to come over and inspect my rifle.


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Back to Abrams nonsense... I bet she'd be utterly shocked to realize that a couple of those 'oppressed' blacks that go to church with me, would opt to stand shoulder to shoulder with me and other 'whitey' folks if her "revolt" ever happened. That's the problem with Abrams and others painting in such broad strokes. She forgets that a whole bunch of folks who share her skin tone don't also share her values or agenda.


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The Militia (the Minutemen, if you like) were the male residents of their town or area, formed, trained, and armed for the common defense.
The citizen. They were not professional soldiers. The ordinary, average dude.
When our founding documents were written, it was with this definition or description in mind.
And this is why the 2A applies to each citizen.


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If you can't say it in plain English, don't say it at all.


The Second Amendment reads, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State…”
The men who wrote the amendment defined it as they personally experienced, and recognized; All able-bodied men were required to keep arms, and train. All others were support, and only those who were exempt by statute were excused.
All able-bodied men were required to own and keep in good working order a weapon that was suitable for military service that would be inspected on a regular basis by the county Militia lieutenant.


I get it.

You post an eye catching title and then reel us in for your weekly lecture on the 2A, that you have studied for years on the subject, that the rest of us do not know as much as you, etc. etc.

So again, what's this got to do with Abram's war against whitey?

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Back to Abrams nonsense... I bet she'd be utterly shocked to realize that a couple of those 'oppressed' blacks that go to church with me, would opt to stand shoulder to shoulder with me and other 'whitey' folks if her "revolt" ever happened. That's the problem with Abrams and others painting in such broad strokes. She forgets that a whole bunch of folks who share her skin tone don't also share her values or agenda.





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--Sir Winston Churchill

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I seem to recall that are some 60 million gun owners in the USA. The total number of guns is estimated to be 600+ million!

Perhaps what is more important is the fact that the large majority of those gun owners actually know HOW TO USE THEM!

Next in order, will the military actually engage in an all out war against US citizens/residents?

We have friends who are LEOs, and their view of what would happen if they were ordered to fire on US citizens, here in this country, should an uprising take place. To a man, they said they would take off their uniforms and go home to fight and protect their country, property and families. Elite soldiers were also asked the same question and to a man they said would refuse such an order. We are not talking about some "militia" here. We are talking about a general uprising.

Consider the tactical problems with military units having to fight their way through the woods and mountains of the eastern coast. I remember from my military service that the problem of having to deal with "snipers" was a very tough one to solve. A single shot, or two, from a distance of 300+ yards. Then the shooter takes off into the "wilderness". I spent time as an infantry troop and understand that issue.

What was the recommended ratio of soldiers to individual snipers? Something like 100 to 1.

Consider the armament of such individuals. Long range rifles, plenty of ammo, optical sights.

I know 3 people who could put 9/10 rounds on an 18 inch square steel plate at 300 yards, using only the peep sights that came with the national match grade M1A.

And whether this doofus abrams likes it or not, the whites are the huge majority in this country. I know women in this state who never leave home without their pistol, and are quite competent with them. As well as being very good with rifles and shotguns.

And, there are a lot of Blacks in the SW part of this state, as well as others, that will join their friends, neighbors and families to defend this country.


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