It was an assassination attempt. That's what it was.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
It was an assassination attempt. That's what it was.

I thought this term applied only to heads of state.

Not to quibble ... it was nonetheless an act to terminate life with supposed extreme prejudice.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
It was an assassination attempt. That's what it was.

Yep - with a list of others he wanted to kill in order to effect political change. Textbook terrorism.

Plus he hated the republicans soooo, we can add hate-hyphen to all of the charges.

Hate-Terrorism
Hate-Unlawful discharge of firearm
Hate-Attempted Murder
Hate-Assassination

It started as an attempted assassination and ended up a suicide by cop.

That's bullshit. For one, since when did ones organizational status become the determining factor as to whether or not one is a terrorist? Have they never heard of the Lone Wolf variety? Besides, this fucknut acted out his hatred of the Right and GOP. If that's not domestic terrorism what in the world is?

What a bunch of assholes, whomever made this call.

Whether or not its terrorism boils down to motivation, doesn't it? The motivation being to create and foster terror and an assortment of associated evils.

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
Whether or not its terrorism boils down to motivation, doesn't it? The motivation being to create and foster terror and an assortment of associated evils.

I'd also say that any act of violence specifically directed against a sitting politician at the Federal level is (also) an act of Terrorism by default given the destabilizing and poisonous effect the assassination of such folks could have on the government and people, broadly.

This being different from, say, a mugging where the attacker didn't know who it was.

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Originally posted by 46and2:

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
Whether or not its terrorism boils down to motivation, doesn't it? The motivation being to create and foster terror and an assortment of associated evils.

I'd also say that any act of violence specifically directed against a sitting politician at the Federal level is (also) an act of Terrorism by default given the destabilizing and poisonous effect the assassination of such folks could have on the government and people, broadly.

This being different from, say, a mugging where the attacker didn't know who it was.

They used to call this 'anarchism' instead of 'terrorism'- from history, the official storyline for the guy who killed McKinley in 1901 was President William McKinley: Assassinated by an Anarchist

The odd thing about calling this sort of thing 'terror' ism is that it's not inspiring terror. They are more 'angerists' than 'terrorists' in their effect.

Look, I'm not shedding any tears over what happened to the attacker. But if some Congressweasel's wife catches him banging an Admin Assistant and shoots him, that doesn't make her a terrorist. If nothing else, there's no political dimension to it. That's why the definition hinges on the attacker's intent (and, I suppose, perhaps the effect).

By the way, that's also what makes the list of politicians that they found on him interesting. A nut might go after one politician, or even several politicians if not stopped in time. But someone who's got a list of specific politicians in their pocket starts to look like someone who intended the attack to have a political effect.

And it's not really anarchism, either, although anarchists certainly have a rich history of using it. Anarchism is, in it's own little way, a political theory. Terrorism is either a tactic or a strategy.

And I guess ole Tim McVeigh was what...just a fertilizer delivery guy? He couldn't have been a terrorist given he neither wore a bed sheet nor did he apparently take orders from guys wearing bed sheets.

Tim Slater, leads the criminal division of the FBI’s Washington field office,:

they said they had not yet clarified who, if anyone, he planned to target, or why, beyond his animus toward President Donald Trump and the Republicans he felt were ruining the country.

It wasn’t even clear whether he had prior plans to attack the baseball practice or whether he just happened upon it the morning of June 14

“At this point in the investigation, it appears more spontaneous,” Slater said.

Hodgkinson had a piece of paper with the names of six members of Congress written on it, Slater said, but the note lacked any further context and there was no evidence from his computer, phone or other belongings that indicated he planned to target those officials. Slater declined to name the officials whose names were on the note or say whether they were Republicans or Democrats or were at the baseball practice.

Hogkinson took pictures of the baseball field where he would later fire more than 60 shots.

“The FBI does not believe that these photographs represented surveillance of intended targets,” the FBI said in a statement.

https://apnews.com/82d6a333da66401aaa164485be711b44

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The FBI and common sense seem to have entered a mutual separation agreement

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Originally posted by sdy:
“The FBI does not believe that these photographs represented surveillance of intended targets,” the FBI said in a statement.

I'd love to know what the heck he would call it, then. What kind of Twilight Zone episode are we in where nothing done by Muslims or against Republicans can ever be called what it is? Bizarro world.

Who really cares what we call it? Seriously?

The real point is that this guy was filled with hate. It was the left, the MSM, et al that did the filling. That's the point here. What we call it matters not. Really, what the left calls it matters not. I'm not sure why we are shocked when it comes to people that are either clueless, in denial, or out and out liars when it comes to them not being able to tell the truth.

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Originally posted by jljones:
Who really cares what we call it? Seriously?

The real point is that this guy was filled with hate. It was the left, the MSM, et al that did the filling. That's the point here. What we call it matters not. Really, what the left calls it matters not. I'm not sure why we are shocked when it comes to people that are either clueless, in denial, or out and out liars when it comes to them not being able to tell the truth.

Not really concerned by what the media calls it, but the bar in my mind is a bit higher for the FBI who are apparently still promoting the agenda of the last administration. Short take. Morons in the media are assumed and accepted. Morons in the FBI are totally unacceptable.

This write up on the FBI is even worse

http://thefederalist.com/2017/...dnt-be-more-bizarre/

The FBI admits that Hodgkinson:

vociferously raged against Republicans in online forums,

had a piece of paper bearing the names of six members of Congress,

was reported for doing target practice outside his home in recent months before moving to Alexandria,

had mapped out a trip to the DC area,

took multiple photos of the baseball field he would later shoot up, three days after the New York Times mentioned that Republicans practiced baseball at an Alexandria baseball field with little security,

lived out of his van at the YMCA directly next door to the baseball field he shot up,

legally purchased a rifle in March 2003 and 9 mm handgun “in November 2016,”

modified the rifle at some point to accept a detachable magazine and replaced the original stock with a folding stock,

rented a storage facility to hide hundreds of rounds of ammunition and additional rifle components,

asked “Is this the Republican or Democrat baseball team?” before firing on the Republicans,

ran a Google search for information on the “2017 Republican Convention” hours before the shooting,

and took photos at high-profile Washington locations, including the east front plaza of the U.S. Capitol and the Dirksen Senate Office.

We know from other reporting that the list was of six Republican Freedom Caucus members, including Rep. Mo Brooks, who was present at the practice.

“FBI: Gunman who shot congressman had no target in mind.”

FBI: believes the gunman “had no concrete plan to inflict violence” against Republicans,

Last July the mask came off. They showed the country exactly who they are.

Fumbling Bumbling Idiots

We already know the FBI bows to pressure from their Democratic overlords. This is just more of the same.

My respect for them was lost a year ago and I don't see it returning anytime soon.

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Originally posted by jljones:
Who really cares what we call it? Seriously?

The real point is that this guy was filled with hate. It was the left, the MSM, et al that did the filling. That's the point here. What we call it matters not. Really, what the left calls it matters not. I'm not sure why we are shocked when it comes to people that are either clueless, in denial, or out and out liars when it comes to them not being able to tell the truth.

I don't care what the media calls it. I DO care what the FBI calls it and all the other terrorist attacks that have happened the past decade. Can't figure out the motive? Seriously - these people are leaving behind detailed manifestos and clear trails and the supposed top law enforcement entity in the country can't figure out a motive? Going to the scene and scouting it by taking photos is NOT surveillance?

Yeah, THAT I do care about. The media/DNC are lost and it's expected of them. I expect more and better from the FBI.

Andrew McCabe, the acting director of the FBI, is a Dem. Trump needs to get his people in there!

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Originally posted by mikeyspizza:
Andrew McCabe, the acting director of the FBI, is a Dem. Trump needs to get his people in there!

The new guy is going through confirmation.