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If I remember correctly New Jersey tried this in the 90s and it worked. Then a new governor was elected and it went back to the way it was in the past. People were saying the children would suffer but if i remember correctly the birth rate went down. I worked in a lot of areas where this type of welfare was abused. As far as most of the mothers were concerned if was just another form of obtaining money. In most cases the children never benefited from the extra money these mothers were given. With all of that said I am sure some children did benefit from the programs offered. The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State NRA Life Member | |||
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Mensch |
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Yidn, shreibt un fershreibt" "The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind." -Bomber Harris | |||
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Ammoholic |
Hero to the left Margaret Sanger already tried this. The sterilizations were OK, but she figured out how to get rid of undesirables both pre and post conception. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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My experience in this environment is totally different than yours. I remember one fellow telling me about one of his accomplices/interludes "she wanted me to give her a black baby." It's not just men. Secondly, in that environment, shootin' blanks is just as feminine as takin' it up the ***. Manhood is exhibited by blowing up an uterus. As a side note, uneducated people also believe, apparently from discussions I've overheard, that you can simply place an order for the sex of the child; like at a restaurant. Most recently, I've heard the disappointment from an early age grandmother that her grandchild was a daughter, but the mom was "doin' okay, anyway." You're talking about a lower life form. ========================================== Just my 2¢ ____________________________ Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right ♫♫♫ | |||
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| No, not like Bill Clinton  |
She will find a sperm donor, it's their way of life to have kids as early as possible to get some of that gubmint cheese. No change will happen until you take the incentive to have welfare babies away | |||
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The Joy Maker |
I'd like it if chocolate cake got me ripped instead of diabetes, but that's probably not happening either. If we gotta do something (and we do, because there's enough Think Of The Childrens! out there), I'd rather it be something that works. Tossing them money for every new fuck trophy they fart out clearly isn't helping. 
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| Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
Dream on, never going to happen. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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Armed and Gregarious |
Without offering any opinion on the merit (or lack of merit) of the OP's idea, I will point out his idea is drastically different than Sanger's. Sanger wanted forced sterilization, which is much different than what the OP proposes, which is offering an incentive to voluntarily be sterilized. Regardless, I doubt the idea could garner much support, but if any support could be found it would require a similar plan/incentive for women, such as tubal ligation. Without that it would be rejected as favoring men over women. ___________________________________________ "He was never hindered by any dogma, except the Constitution." - Ty Ross speaking of his grandfather General Barry Goldwater "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want." - William Tecumseh Sherman | |||
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delicately calloused |
Let people suffer the consequences of their own behaviors regardless of how painful it is to watch. If we don't start doing this none of these problems will ever get solved. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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| Oh stewardess, I speak jive.  |
Eugenics is eugenics, essentially, whether shrouded in a premise of it being voluntary or not. The goal is the same, one group deciding what's good and what's not and attempting to breed it out of other groups. The problem, of course, comes down to who gets to decide. No one should be messing around with the most human of personal choices and options : procreation itself. We can't implement intelligence tests, or means tests, or political affiliation tests beforehand either. Such is life, it's problems will never be that "easy" to solve. But most importantly, don't screw around with someone else's body and choices like that, whether their choice is to have a child or not have one, no choice is ever more personal than that. And it is never anyone else's business nor should it be, laws be damned. Our government, at all levels, needs to stay the fuck out of people's business in those regards. The man of a given couple barely has any input, given the woman's role in human reproduction, and it's definitely not anyone else business what they do or don't do about it. The worst travesty in all of this is that there are any laws whatsoever that impose themselves upon the body of another adult. However right minded and well intended such laws are, they were terrible ideas and ought to be reversed, swiftly and permanently. This includes ideas to incentivize the less desirable elements of society into surgery/etc. Focus your energies elsewhere. | |||
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| His diet consists of black coffee, and sarcasm.  |
Well, you do want them to look good.  | |||
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| Page late and a dollar short |
But should society in general be responsible for the result of the acts of irresponsible parents? Safety net,sure, it has to be in place. But when there is a pattern of illegitimate births then what? Is it our responsibility to incentivize them to continue to procreate? No easy answer here. -------------------------------------—————— ————————--Ignorance is a powerful tool if applied at the right time, even, usually, surpassing knowledge(E.J.Potter, A.K.A. The Michigan Madman) | |||
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Back in 1980 a friend of my brother and myself decided to have a vasectomy at 28 years old because he had Krohn's Disease. We tried out best to talk him out of doing this. Two years later he met the love of his life while in the hospital being treated for a flareup and after he was married tried to have it "reversed". After 10 years of trying without even a hint of a pregnancy they ended up adopting, because they really wanted children. IMO you need to reconsider that claim that a Vasectomy is "easily reversed" because it's not, the actual success rate for reversal is pretty poor and gets even worse with every year that goes by. BTW, don't deny your idea of paying certain folks who are obvious piss poor parent material to sterilize themselves having a positive potential but do have concerns that it could be a very "slippery slope" that could end up with a really negative long term outcome. I've stopped counting. | |||
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I guess I was a bit tired and careless in typing my reply.  EasyFire EasyFire [AT] zianet.com ---------------------------------- NRA Certified Pistol Instructor Colorado Concealed Handgun Permit Instructor Nationwide Agent for > US LawShield > https://www.texaslawshield.com...p.php?promo=ondemand CCW Safe > www.ccwsafe.com/CCHPI | |||
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| The Ice Cream Man |
Restrict it as a program for convicts? Get a vasectomy prior to release, get 10K on release? | |||
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semi-reformed sailor |
Turn off welfare, if they don't get a check for the kids, they will start using condoms or other types of birth control. "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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Chip away the stone |
This was my first thought as well. No thug worth his salt would let some Dr. disconnect is balls. | |||
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| Big Stack |
I will point out it only takes one fully functional rooster to knock up a lot of hens. Maybe this approach needs to be taken with both sides of the transaction. | |||
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Would it change anything if the money was not government? Private donations and a not for profit clinic. All volunteer, no one is forced to do anything , either to have the proceedure or pay for it. Consenting adults involved in legal activities. Privately funded clinics pay former gang members to have tattoos removed (and no, not by cutting their arms off). Of course to be fair the same deal would have to be offered to women. Even at $10,000 the payback would be enormous. I have no idea how much a high risk pregnancy, drug addicted baby, special needs care a and perhaps social security disability costs society' but some will be avoided undoubtedly. All volunteer, no one has to take the money. It is there choice, they get to decide. No one is forced, no one coerced, no obligation or prohibation for any future decisions. They are welcome to attempt to reverse the proceedure the next day if the want to. What about paying for birth control implants, same rule, no government $, completely volunteer. | |||
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Exactly. Vasectomies for undesirables is the start of a slide down a very slippery slope. | |||
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