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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Yes we should. Absolutely. ETA : And look at what I just received from President Trump via email literally one minute ago: Alan, There’s been a lot of noise today and a lot of rumors. Let me set the record straight in the simplest language possible… ...WE WILL BUILD A WALL (NOT A FENCE) ALONG THE SOUTHERN BORDER OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO HELP STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND KEEP AMERICA SAFE. Apparently, liberals in Congress and the mainstream media need one more reminder that building the wall is non-negotiable.  ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan "Once there was only dark. If you ask me, light is winning." ~Rust Cohle | |||
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Cat Whisperer |
Trumps tweets last night calling it border security make me a little hesitant to believe we'll see a wall. I hope so thought, I've been one of his most vocal supporters I know.. And I'd hate to throw out the cardboard trump cutout I spent hard earned money on  ------------------------------------ 135 ├┼┼╕ 246R | |||
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I'm not even sure that a continuous physical wall is the best way to protect the border. Maybe some wall, some electronics, some drones, etc. The wall may be more symbolic than effective. As others have said, get rid of the incentive and the physical barrier becomes secondary. | |||
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| Nature is full of magnificent creatures |
Trump cannot trust the R Congress to get it done. I trust him, and frankly I think it is a genius move to meet with the D leadership repeatedly. These meetings send a not so subtle signal to the R's who think they hold all the cards and keep trying to thwart his agenda. Help me, or I will go and find someone who will, and in the process make you irrelevant. | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
If any of this was easy, it would be done long ago. Having a majority is not the same as having control of every issue. When you have a majority, your guys are committee chairmen and your guys get the best office space. As we have seen, and it should be no surprise, Senators often have their own views on select issues, not necessarily the party line. It's very often been that way. Even when you have the necessary votes only in your party, it is not always wise to pass some major legislation without at least some votes from the other party. Look at Obamacare! Trump is smart, in the long run, to bargain and horse trade as necessary, to get major policies through. More support, fewer challenges, better public acceptance for now. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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delicately calloused |
I'm choosing to treat the president like investing in the stock market. I'm playing the long game. When three years is up, I'll see what he's done. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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goodheart |
Long ago--maybe January--I noted that I was afraid of another Schwarzenegger effect. I hope and pray we do not see that. Trump is far smarter and more savvy than Arnold, and not married to a Kennedy. _________________________ “ What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.”— Lord Melbourne | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
Daily Reminder: Hillary Clinton is not POTUS | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
Pat Buchanan asks if amnesty of undocumented workers puts America First A 'read-my-lips' moment for Trump? "Having cut a deal with Democrats for help with the debt ceiling, will Trump seek a deal with Democrats on amnesty for the ‘Dreamers’ in return for funding for border security?” The answer to that question, raised in my column a week ago, is in. Last night, President Donald Trump cut a deal with “Chuck and Nancy” for amnesty for 800,000 recipients of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program who came here illegally as youngsters, in return for Democratic votes for more money for border security. According to preening Minority Leader Pelosi, the agreement contains not a dime for Trump’s Wall, and the “Dreamers” are to be put on a long glide “path to U.S. citizenship.” Trump denies this is amnesty, and says the Wall comes later. Fallout? Among the most enthusiastic of Trump backers, disbelief, disillusionment and wonderment at where we go from here. Trump’s debt-ceiling deal cut the legs out from under the GOP budget hawks. But amnesty would pull the rug out from under all the folks at those rallies who cheered Trump’s promise to preserve the country they grew up in from this endless Third World invasion. For make no mistake. If amnesty is granted for the 800,000, that will be but the first wave. “There are reasons no country has a rule that if you sneak in as a minor you’re a citizen,” writes Mickey Kaus, author of “The End of Equality,” in the Washington Post. “We’d be inviting the world. … (An amnesty) would have a knock-on effect. Under ‘chain migration’ rules established in 1965 … new citizens can bring in their siblings and adult children, who can bring in their siblings and in-laws until whole villages have moved to the United States. “(T)oday’s 690,000 dreamers would quickly become millions of newcomers who may well be low-skilled and who would almost certainly include the parents who brought them – the ones who in theory are at fault.” Trump is risking a breach in the dam. If the populists who provided him with decisive margins in Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania feel betrayed, it’s hard to blame them. Why did Trump do it? Clearly, he relished the cheers he got for the debt ceiling deal and wanted another such victory. And with the rampant accusations of a lack of “compassion” for his cancellation of the temporary Obama administration amnesty, he decided he had had enough heat. It is not easy to stand up for long to the gale force winds of hostile commentary that blow constantly through this city. Trump’s capitulation, if that is what turns out to be, calls to mind George H.W. Bush’s decision in 1990 to raise the Reagan tax rates in a deal engineered for him by a White House-Hill coalition, that made a mockery of his “Read my lips! No new taxes!” pledge of 1988. For agreeing to feed the beast of Big Government, rather than cut its rations as Reagan sought to do, Bush was called a statesman. By the fall of ’92, the cheering had stopped. Can Trump not know that those congratulating him for his newfound flexibility will be rejoicing, should Bob Mueller indict his family and his friends, and recommend his impeachment down the road? What makes pre-emptive amnesty particularly disheartening is that the Trump policy of securing the border and returning illegal immigrants to their home countries appears, from a Census Bureau report this week, to be precisely the prescription America needs. In 2016, paychecks for U.S. households reached an average of $59,039, up 3.2 percent from 2015, a year when they had surged. U.S. median household income is now at its highest ever. Yet there are inequalities. Where the median family income of Asian-Americans is above $81,400, and more than $65,000 for white Americans, the median family income of Hispanic families is $47,675, and that of African-American households far less, $39,490. Consider. Though black Americans are predominantly native-born, while high percentages of Hispanics and Asians are immigrants, from the Census numbers, Hispanics earn more and Asians enjoy twice the median family income of blacks, which is below where it was in 2000. Still, black America remains steadfastly loyal to a party that supports the endless importation of workers who compete directly for jobs with them and their families. Writes Kaus, “The median hourly wage (of DACA recipients) is only $15.34, meaning that many are competing with hard-pressed, lower-skilled Americans.” Looking closer at the Census Bureau figures, Trumpian economic nationalism would appear to have its greatest appeal to the American working class, a huge slice of which is native-born, black and Hispanic. The elements of that policy? Secure the border. Halt the invasion of low-wage workers, here legally and illegally, from the Third World. Tighten the labor market to force employers to raise wages in our full-employment economy. Provide tax incentives to companies who site factories in the USA. Impose border taxes on the products of companies who move plants abroad. Put America and American workers first. Will any amnesty of undocumented workers do that? Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/09/a-r...#J7UhDeBRtUbMbq7m.99This message has been edited. Last edited by: chellim1, "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Nature is full of magnificent creatures |
Did it ever occur to Pat Buchanan that President Trump intended all along to leave the Dreamer program alone? Before they start throwing terms around again, critics should consider perhaps the President is trading something the D's want for something he needs. If he had left the program alone, he would get nothing. If he throws signals up that maybe he is going to do away with it, and they believe him, he can essentially sell them the Brooklyn Bridge and get something for nothing. As a bonus, they think they have a new friend, they will thank him for it, and maybe help him again later. In the meantime he found out a few people who claimed to support him are fair weather friends. Big surprise, but now he knows who is loyal and who he can trust. Trust and loyalty are very important to a President, and this one particularly. Food for thought for those who keep thinking he doesn't know what he's doing. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Huh, so if he never intended to do what he said he would do... Is everything he campaigned on 'inoperative' once he is elected? "We will immediately terminate" DACA "We will immediately terminate President Obama’s two illegal executive amnesties, in which he defied federal law and the constitution to give amnesty to approximately 5 million illegal immigrants," Trump said at a campaign event in August 2016, promising to end DACA as well as Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents. That speech echoed the promise Trump made when he launched his presidential campaign on June 16, 2015. "I will immediately terminate President Obama's illegal executive order on immigration, immediately," he said at that time.
Yes, well.... that's supposed to be a two-way street. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
Supposed deals and bargains aside, I will be greatly surprised if there is ever anything that will amount to the wall Trump campaigned on. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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Striker in waiting |
Incentives can be turned on and off like a switch. A physical barrier with limited access points would make things a little more difficult even with the switch in the 'on' position. -Rob I predict that there will be many suggestions and statements about the law made here, and some of them will be spectacularly wrong. - jhe888 A=A | |||
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| Nature is full of magnificent creatures |
No, however one must be realistic in that most of the obstruction of what he has tried to do has come from a various parade of actors from his own party. I'm tired of Congress kicking the can down the road with regard to health care reform, immigration reform, the deficit, the debt, etc., etc. This article about sums it up: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-ma...his-own-aca-rhetoric
I'm not sure I understand the rules a President should follow when forced to deal with a bunch of power-hungry narcissists acting against the best interest of the Country they have promised to serve. He can sit around and say woe is me, and spend the next 3 years spinning his wheels, or he can do his best to get something done in spite of it all. My impression is he is taking things off road and working to get things done. Things aren't simple in his position, and I'm not going to nitpick his method. I'm not naive, but let's wait until the pie comes out of the oven before saying the baker did a poor job. | |||
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Legalize the Constitution |
I believe I look like someone just walked over my grave _______________________________________________________ despite them | |||
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Yeah, that M14 video guy... |
People need to forget that there is a Republican party. It's the uniparty he's dealing with. And unfortunately, the uniparty is also the obstructionist party. Hillary is not president! Scalia's role was replaced. The economy is growing, the stock market is up (look at your 401k growth this year). Trump is still playing chess, my friends. Calm blue ocean... Tony. Owner, TonyBen, LLC, Type-07 FFL www.tonybenm14.com (Site under construction). e-mail: tonyben@tonybenm14.com | |||
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| Nature is full of magnificent creatures |
^^Very well said. | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
Campaigns are for outlining goals, hopes, values. Once in office, executing on them gets more complex. Campaign speeches have no opposition. Bills do. Few Presidents have had the luxury of being able to get everything they wanted, as they wanted, when they wanted, through Congress. At least until recently, campaign speeches were of no legal effect. In the 9th Circuit, that may no longer be completely true. Do you doubt that if Trump had the power, the means, to do away from Obamacare, he would do it? DACA? Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
There's a big difference between the two. Obamacare was passed by Congress, by whatever means and 'horse-trading' necessary to get the last few votes. DACA was an executive order, by the previous President. It's basically selective non-enforcement of the law that WAS passed by Congress. Yes, he does have the power to do away with DACA. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Staring back from the abyss  |
Johnny Ringo? That you? ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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