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...Colorado law:
“Colorado Revised Statute 24-33.5-704. The governor and disaster emergencies - response - duties and limitations.
“Executive orders, proclamations, and regulations have the force and effect of law.”

Under C.R.S. 25-1-114, it’s also unlawful to disobey public health orders...


Is there a time limit to these emergency declarations? Could the gym (and other "non-essential" facilities) be closed for a year?
 
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If I wore a hat I'd surely tip it to you, sir.
 
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I hope you sue their dicks off and become a wealthy man for this
 
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Is there a time limit to these emergency declarations? Could the gym (and other "non-essential" facilities) be closed for a year?


That I have no idea except I didn’t see any mention in my brief scan of the statutes.

As I’ve alluded to before, a significant problem with the laws (IMO, of course) is that they weren’t drafted with something like the current pandemic in mind. In my experience with exercises pertaining to pandemic response, quarantines and especially their effects were hardly on policy makers’ radar. If they weren’t so much as thinking about what they might entail and why they might be imposed, they certainly weren’t thinking about how long they should last.

I can’t think of a different crisis permitting emergency declarations that wouldn’t be more or less self-limiting.
Have a tornado that leads to dangerous conditions in a specific area? Can’t go there until things have been cleaned up and made safe. Wildfire? Leave and stay out until it’s contained. Blizzard closes roads? Wait until they’re clear.
As we’re seeing and reminded of daily, though, a pandemic is very open-ended.




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Man, these fucking cops should be ashamed of themselves. Watching the videos pisses me off even more. Mad

The cops don't make me sick here. This is the exact first step that has to happen for the travesty of the all the governors' executive orders to be corrected in our justice system. Mad props to Ramius for being the one to get it started.



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I’m honored gentlemen.

Was I supposed to be read Miranda Rights for this?
 
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I’m honored gentlemen.

Was I supposed to be read Miranda Rights for this?

I really think you can rest well tonight. The side of good has your back.



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This is the exact first step that has to happen ....


We can hope.
I am reminded of the laws that were passed prohibiting firearms confiscations following the Katrina experience.

And Miranda warnings are required only if the police question someone in custody. No questioning, no warnings necessary.*

* Under the provisions of the original Supreme Court ruling. Local agency policy or even statutes or case law might be more stringent.




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I’m honored gentlemen.

Was I supposed to be read Miranda Rights for this?

Were you arrested? The answer to that is the answer to your question, TTBOMK. IANAL.



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Were you arrested?



I'd say cuffing somebody, placing them in the back of a patrol car, and taking them to the police station would qualify.

This is what I was talking about a few weeks back, as well as the officer who made the video and was fired because of it.

When the government takes such actions, it creates a wider division between themselves and the public. This division will make their jobs more difficult and more dangerous as a result.


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If you were questioned or your statement taken, then yes, they should have Mirandized you.
 
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Nothing but respect, RAMIUS.
 
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Proud of you Ramius.

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Respect, you did well. I am curious why the chickensh*t obstruction citation - you cooperated and this seems petty and not remotely warranted.





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If NJ has a stop and ID law, they ask your name while suspecting you of a crime and you refuse, that would be obstruction. In states where they have no stop and ID law, you'd probably be in the clear.
 
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I’m honored gentlemen.

Was I supposed to be read Miranda Rights for this?



We should be the ones honored. You’re taking a stand that very few would be willing to. Thank you.




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What's the crime? Violating an illegal executive order?



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Defying His Excellency, the Governor
 
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If NJ has a stop and ID law, they ask your name while suspecting you of a crime and you refuse, that would be obstruction. In states where they have no stop and ID law, you'd probably be in the clear.


Stop and ID? What kind of Stalinist youth crap is that?


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