He might have to do the unthinkable to get out of this situation, become a Democrat.

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It will not matter. If it happened with a Florida resident who went to another state just so it could "legally" happen, that is explicitly illegal at the federal level for precisely that reason.

That doesn't make any sense.

Some states require that you be 21 to gamble in a casino. Some states require you to be 18.

Are you telling us that if a 19 year old leaves his state (that requires you to be 21) to travel to a state that requires you to be 18, that he/she is violating federal law?

IANAL, but I believe taking somebody to another state so they may legally gamble, drink, or whatever is not the same as transporting them across state lines for the purpose of engaging in sexual activity. See: 18 U.S. Code § 2423 - Transportation of minors

Yes, apples to oranges.

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I'm going to wait for the trial to be over before I hang him.

THIS!!

Seriously, there's way too much speculating going on here! Maybe we could/should wait for the actual facts to come out before we convict Gaetz!

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Yes, apples to oranges.

It can be Volkswagons to crayons. It makes zero sense.

There is no federal age of consent, just like there's no federal legal gambling ages. How can it be illegal (federally at that) for one person to do the exact same thing that it's legal for another based solely on the state they claim residence in?

And before anybody chimes in and says "well it is", that's great. It still makes no sense.

If this is how it has to be, then we should eliminate all state laws that contradict one another and simply have single federal rules that cover us all.

Let's reverse this for a second. What if a guy like Gaetz went to Ohio where the age of consent is 16. He meets a girl he likes and takes her back to Florida and has sex with her there where the age of consent is 18. Florida could charge him.

So are we saying that rules of a state should follow the resident even when he's out of state? Since I'm in Missouri, do the laws that govern me and my firearm extend with me to Illinois or New Jersey?

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:
.... Age of consent is 18 in Florida, but is 16 or 17 in many other states. It remains to be seen if they have the goods on him, I am hoping not.

Not in all cases:

794.05 Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.—
(1) A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

In Florida, a 23 year old may engage in sexual activity with a 16 year old minor, if consensual.

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Yes, apples to oranges.

It can be Volkswagons to crayons. It makes zero sense.

There is no federal age of consent, ...

Did you even bother to read the law I cited? Bottom line: It is a violation of federal law to transport a minor across state lines for the express purpose of subverting a state's laws relative to sexual activity. That law has been in place for 111 years.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
Let's reverse this for a second. What if a guy like Gaetz went to Ohio where the age of consent is 16. He meets a girl he likes and takes her back to Florida and has sex with her there where the age of consent is 18. Florida could charge him.

In my inexpert opinion: Yes, because he'd be violating Florida law. In the former case he'd be violating Federal law.

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So are we saying that rules of a state should follow the resident even when he's out of state?

You're missing the point. In the case we're discussing it isn't the violating of a state's laws that's at issue, per se. It's the transporting of a minor across state lines to avoid those state laws.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
Since I'm in Missouri, do the laws that govern me and my firearm extend with me to Illinois or New Jersey?

Apples/oranges.

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In Florida, a 23 year old may engage in sexual activity with a 16 year old minor, if consensual.

Unless they come from a state where it's not legal to vacation, and then apparently it's a federal crime.

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It is a violation of federal law to transport a minor across state lines for the express purpose of subverting a state's laws relative to sexual activity.

Then why have state laws? Why do Floridians need to go to prison for doing the exact same things Missourians do when all parties are in Missouri?

That said, you're also making some serious assumptions. "express purpose of subverting a state's laws". If one wanted to "subvert laws" they wouldn't need to leave their state would they? Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Of course they're only "damned" if that's the only reason they crossed state lines.

What if the express purpose for crossing state lines was to look at a used car and then everybody got horny?

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It's the transporting of a minor across state lines to avoid those state laws.

Right. Just like an 18 year old leaving a state that requires you to be 21 to gamble for the express purpose of gambling while 18 in a state that allows it.

Federal prison, stat!

I completely understand and support efforts to thwart actual sex trafficking. But that's not what this is.

In the state of New York, all persons under the age of 18 are required to wear a helmet while bicycling. In the neighboring state of Pennsylvania helmets are only required for those under the age of 12.

If an adult and 16 year old New York residents cross into Pennsylvania for the express purpose of riding bikes, and do not wear helmets, which federal laws have they violated?

States get to do what they want to do. That's kind of how it was drawn up.

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States get to do what they want to do. That's kind of how it was drawn up.

Yep. And at some point, enough states who said the age of consent was 18 got fed up with their minors being carted off to where they weren't minors for sordid purposes, and demanded a federal law address the practice.

[shrug]

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Yep. And at some point, enough states who said the age of consent was 18 got fed up with their minors being carted off to where they weren't minors for sordid purposes, and demanded a federal law address the practice.

Once again, it makes no sense.

Since when does a state get to force its laws upon another state? Especially when the laws do not apply equally based solely on state of residence? And do you think that's reasonable? That a state would "get tired" of people leaving their state due to their laws to go somewhere else with laws they prefer, and then get the feds to "do something about it"? Yeah...no thanks.

What other laws apply in this fashion? The particular act doesn't matter, I'm talking concept only. Where else is something legal here, illegal there. Those here aren't breaking the law, but those here from there are.

I gave a bicycle helmet law example above. Should New Yorkers be charged federally when violating New York laws while in Pennsylvania even though what they are doing is legal in Pennsylvania?

If New Jersey gets "fed up with minors being carted off where they weren't minors" to shoot firearms, should the feds send the adults shooting with them to prison? Assuming what they are doing is indeed legal within the state where they committed the offense of upsetting their state of residence?

What about people who leave states where MJ is illegal in order to visit a state where it is legal. While there they smoke some. Should their state of residence or the federal government be able to charge them once they return home?

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I think we might be getting confused here. Federal charges under the Mann Act have nothing to do with state "legal age" laws. "the most common use of the Mann Act was to prosecute men for having sex with underage females". Interesting reading about the Mann Act, especially the list of famous & infamous men who have been charged: Chuck Berry? Really?

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Chuck Berry? Really?

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Yeah. Pretty sleazy history. Had an affinity for young girls.

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Chuck Berry? Really?

^^^^^^^^^^^
Yeah. Pretty sleazy history. Had an affinity for young girls.

Lots of famous people got away with that shit. Look at Jimmy Page and Jerry Lewis.

Man, I liked this guy a lot but the sleaze is piling up pretty high. I sure as hell wouldn't let my daughter intern for him.

He's using the Trump defense: Blame the lying media, liberal Democrats, Iran hostages, the Justice dept. and my favorite: "Sure, I flew the girls down, put 'em up at Mara logo, even gave up some spending money. But I didn't do anything wrong! That girl told me she was 28!" I think the leak is coming from his fuck-buddy, the Seminole county tax collector that Gaetz squealed on. Maybe pot-daddy John Morgan threw him under the bus.

watch this video w Bob Kent. What a sleaze bag liar

especially watch the text message from Kent to Gaetz father at 2'50" sec in the video, and Kent's reaction

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/wa...of-extortion-scheme/



“And there was no attempt to extort, there was no threat, there was no demand,” Cuomo asked again.

“There were no threats, there were no demands,” Kent said.

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He's using the Trump defense: Blame the lying media, liberal Democrats, Iran hostages, the Justice dept. and my favorite: "Sure, I flew the girls down, put 'em up at Mara logo, even gave up some spending money. But I didn't do anything wrong! That girl told me she was 28!" I think the leak is coming from his fuck-buddy, the Seminole county tax collector that Gaetz squealed on. Maybe pot-daddy John Morgan threw him under the bus.

Why don't you take that garbage and stick it in whatever leftist, shithole forum you tend to frequent and keep it out of here?

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Originally posted by cne32507:
He's using the Trump defense: Blame the lying media, liberal Democrats, Iran hostages, the Justice dept. and my favorite: "Sure, I flew the girls down, put 'em up at Mara logo, even gave up some spending money. But I didn't do anything wrong! That girl told me she was 28!" I think the leak is coming from his fuck-buddy, the Seminole county tax collector that Gaetz squealed on. Maybe pot-daddy John Morgan threw him under the bus.

Bless your heart...you're a special kind of "touched" person, aren't you now.

Is a single word of your ridiculousness tied in any way at all to this person or situation? You appear to be throwing up the usual media crap. Your lack of intelligence is showing.

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Originally posted by cne32507:
He's using the Trump defense: Blame the lying media, liberal Democrats, Iran hostages, the Justice dept. and my favorite: "Sure, I flew the girls down, put 'em up at Mara logo, even gave up some spending money. But I didn't do anything wrong! That girl told me she was 28!" I think the leak is coming from his fuck-buddy, the Seminole county tax collector that Gaetz squealed on. Maybe pot-daddy John Morgan threw him under the bus.

You have two choices: You can stow that shit permanently, or you can leave.

You know where you are and you know you shouldn't post this horse shit, yet you did it anyway. You want to be noticed? OK, I'm noticing you.

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watch this video w Bob Kent. What a sleaze bag liar
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I agree with your assessment, but for me, the real surprise was Chris Cuomo's questioning. He held Kent's feet to the fire and literally had him squirming in his seat several times. That was not your typical CNN/Chris Cuomo interview.