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Originally posted by Cntrl23:
Just saw this on another forum, looks like a great alternative to the plastic Sig Foregrip/Handstop.



A3 Tactical Aluminum Vertical Grip with Integrated Hand Stop

Just went to purchase one and they want 10 bucks for shipping, which seems steep for something that weighs 4.5 ounces and can be thrown in a padded envelope. I had intended on emailing them, but their "contact us" link does nothing. Oh well

A USPS small "flat rate box" shipping is $7.15 & the box is free.

That's nice! I'm thinking about the YHM Keymod vertical grip



http://www.opticsplanet.com/ya...torage-yhm-9540.html

Ok - so I picked up a MPX pistol 8" and ordered a SB-Tactical brace (two to three weeks backordered), also a Romeo5 red dot.

At the range yesterday, it ran great with the Gen 2 mags...major problems with the Gen 1 mags I picked up so I am letting them sit stuffed with 30rds for a while.

Really want to put a vertical grip on it, but I am still not clear on the vertical grip making it AOW?

The MPX should have its own section with various topics IMO...my eyes are bleeding from reading or trying to read this whole thread..........

Yea.. u can get away with a flater style "hand stop" but a vertical grip on a pistol will make it a AOW. 5 bucks and a 6 month wait for tax stamp. Might as well make it a SBR and get the grip and a real stock for all the hassel it would be for just the grip.

Thanks Guy, nice store you have there and some great products.

What is causing me some confusion on this as an example is the case US v. Fix and some other cases that seemed to muddy the water for me.

http://www.boiseshooters.com/index.php?topic=14257.0


with a rifled bore is not a AOW as I read it also.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/f...-act-definitions-any

Yea, Stuff all over the place. And all over the internet.. I go by this document. You see many MPX, EVO style pistols sold with "hand protectors" on the rails but you don't see them come with vertical grips. So when is a forward stop too high and its a vertical grip ? Beats me

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/d...l-fore-grip-handgun/

"ATF has long held that by installing a vertical fore grip on a handgun, the handgun is no longer designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand. Therefore, if individuals install a vertical fore grip on a handgun, they are “making” a firearm requiring registration with ATF’s NFA Branch. Making an unregistered “AOW” is punishable by a fine and 10 years’
imprisonment. Additionally, possession of an unregistered “AOW” is also punishable by fine and 10 years’ imprisonment. "

Well who needs a vertical grip anyhow! No problem with 10 years, but I am not paying any dam fine

Thank you Guy for posting that, I had not seen that open letter before.

After checking into the barrels offered by "In Lead We Trust", I cancelled my order with Sig and bought the one from "In Lead We Trust" last week. The price difference was well worth it. $480.00 vs. $377,83 and you don't even get a gas block from Sig!!. Thanks for the tip on this post. Thank God I cancelled in time. The only question I have is why they are charging tax? They are not located in my state.

Maybe someone will challenge the ATF on the vertical grip open letter and win just like SB Tactical did on the brace redesigning pistol into an SBR.

Wow - congrats and thanks to SB Tactical....

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Originally posted by gino d:
$480.00 vs. $377,83 and you don't even get a gas block from Sig!!.

When I was still looking into purchasing a 4" barrel (decided to simply have mine chopped) Sig told me that it DID come with a gas block. I thought that made sense considering they were about to charge me $500 for a 4" piece of steel with a hole in it. I'm curious when the first barrels start shipping from sig if they will have gas blocks or not.

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Maybe someone will challenge the ATF on the vertical grip open letter and win just like SB Tactical did on the brace redesigning pistol into an SBR.

Wow - congrats and thanks to SB Tactical....

Im not really sure that it was such a big win. So if u use a "Brace" against your shoulder once, its no longer the ATFs position that u now made a NFA item but its STILL against the law to shoulder it. What have we gained ??? All it does is say they have no way of proving the brace was ever shouldered and therefore can't say the gun is now a NFA item forever. One muddy letter is now two muddy letters that are still useless.

I am trying to find an actual copy of the letter and I think we are up to three on this.

Ok - splains some of it here:

https://www.nraila.org/article...n-stabilizing-braces

Makes me wonder if the shockwave brace will be under attack soon then since it doesnt have the straps and all.

Its all still clear as mud. Jeez.

I still want an SB Tactical for my MPX. Where are yall buyin them? Everywhere is backordered or out of stock.

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Originally posted by PorterN:
Makes me wonder if the shockwave brace will be under attack soon then since it doesnt have the straps and all.

Its all still clear as mud. Jeez.

I still want an SB Tactical for my MPX. Where are yall buyin them? Everywhere is backordered or out of stock.

I got mine off the SBT website - I signed up for in-stock-notices and was able to get one ordered during the short period that thye had them.

I received my 4.5" MPX barrel from Sig and it did come with a gas block and flash hider attached, ready for install

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Originally posted by PorterN:
Makes me wonder if the shockwave brace will be under attack soon then since it doesnt have the straps and all.

Its all still clear as mud. Jeez.

I still want an SB Tactical for my MPX. Where are yall buyin them? Everywhere is backordered or out of stock.

Currently in stock here: http://vizardsgunsandammo.com/...b-mpx-psb-3-pos-blk/

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Originally posted by dwd1985:

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Originally posted by PorterN:
Makes me wonder if the shockwave brace will be under attack soon then since it doesnt have the straps and all.

Its all still clear as mud. Jeez.

I still want an SB Tactical for my MPX. Where are yall buyin them? Everywhere is backordered or out of stock.

Currently in stock here: http://vizardsgunsandammo.com/...b-mpx-psb-3-pos-blk/

I think that there are some for sale in the classifieds. It might be worth a few minutes to check.
Good luck.

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Originally posted by Rangerone:
I received my 4.5" MPX barrel from Sig and it did come with a gas block and flash hider attached, ready for install

Mine came with the gas block and flash hider as well. Excited about the block but not excited about taking off another one of these flash hiders. The 8in was a PITA.
It is really neat to see how sig designed these. About 3min with a t25 driver and you have a totally different firearm. Hopefully sig keeps up the good work and continues to make new accessories.

What did you do to remove the flash hider? I am not looking forward to that process.

Some have reported to have soaked it in hot water for 2 to 24 hours (by that time, it no longer hot water) to help break up the Rocksett so it would be easier to wrench off.