They are just another cog in the liberal machine.

My doctor and I have Firearms Certificates just 12 serials apart.

He's a practical shotgun man, BTW.

tac

ER doc of 25 years, shooter and gun enthusiast of 41 years here. The AMA is purely a leftist political organization. ABSOLUTELY does not represent the vast majority of doctors nationwide. Many of my partners and PAs shoot regularly and we even get together for shooting. Our hospital even organizes a charity skeet shooting event annually that my group regularly participates in, as does several other docs, and even administrators!

As far as it being a "public health issue " as the AMA claims, as many folks have pointed out there are significantly more "dangerous " issues, including sadly us physicians. The insurance companies and government are making more and more hoops for us to jump through in order to get paid. It has nothing to do with true medical care, just making sure all the boxes are checked.

Just like most gun owners are safe and responsible, so are most doctors. Please don't lump me together with the bad guys with guns, nor with the bad doctors.

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Originally posted by DitchDoctor911:
. . .Just like most gun owners are safe and responsible, so are most doctors. Please don't lump me together with the bad guys with guns, nor with the bad doctors.

What you need, Doc, is a reputable conservative medical association with its own medical journal and publicity arm to counter the leftist nonsense constantly being spewed by the AMA.

Why doesn't such an organization exist?

Owning or possessing a firearm is not an illness nor a disease, therefor I need no doctor to treat a non-existent illness.

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Originally posted by SapperSteel:

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Originally posted by DitchDoctor911:
. . .Just like most gun owners are safe and responsible, so are most doctors. Please don't lump me together with the bad guys with guns, nor with the bad doctors.

What you need, Doc, is a reputable conservative medical association with its own medical journal and publicity arm to counter the leftist nonsense constantly being spewed by the AMA.

Why doesn't such an organization exist?

Beats me, Sapp.

Thanks for the link, ChuckFinley, I'll check them out.

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Originally posted by Icabod:
"In short, the 43-to-1 figure is based on the totally implausible assumption that all the people who die in gun suicides and gun accidents would not kill themselves with something else if guns were unavailable. The figure is also based on a drastic undercount of the number of lawful self-defense homicides."

http://davekopel.org/NRO/2001/...llacy-of-43-to-1.htm

When someone presents you with that fallacy....one word "Japan"

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Originally posted by 18DAI:
Medical "professionals" kill far more people every year than firearms do.

Going to store this little gem away for future use.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
I've never had a doctor stick their meddling nose into whether or not I own guns. I almost wish someone would ask me so that I could stop the exam right there and ask to have the office staff prepare a release of records for me, since I'll never again set foot inside that confused physician's office.

my Doc actually asked me once what I did to relax and have fun

I told him I competed in Service Rifle comps and had to explain to him what that was (he is Dutch, and a US citizen)

he listened intently, seems genuinely interested, and told me to keep at it, if I found it relaxing,

he, nor anyone in his office (I see his PA's mostly now) have ever asked since

if people jump off bridges or off of buildings, then we should either eliminate bridges and buildings or make them all 5' high

that will solve that problem

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
if people jump off bridges or off of buildings, then we should either eliminate bridges and buildings or make them all 5' high

that will solve that problem

Quite often I drive over this beautiful bridge. It is 180 feet above Deception Pass. Every so often I notice a bouquet of flowers attached to the railing. People are going to do what they're going to do.

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I think 90 percent of the docs I work with own guns. This article is horse shit

More like 95 percent LOL. Nice summary here.

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Originally posted by Dusty78:
I think 90 percent of the docs I work with own guns. This article is horse shit.

My urologist asked me to drop my pants so he could probe my prostate. I turned away from him and tried to remove my belt holster surreptitiously and hide it under my windbreaker, which was lying on a chair in the exam room.

Doc walks over, peers at what I'm doing, and says, "What's that -- A SIG? I have an H&K."

Another doc I used, AME (Aviation Medical Examiner) has a SIG oval bumper sticker on his car, a daughter who works for SIG in New Hampshire, and he keeps a P226 in his desk drawer.

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I've never had a doctor stick their meddling nose into whether or not I own guns.

i have. my doctor is forced to ask the questions when Obamacare came into being. He said if he didn't fill out the form, they would not be paid. No idea if it was a requirement because it was also the first year I have Medicare in addition to my own health care policy.

the doctor is far from anti gun and shoots himself when he has the time. Funny that he also told me he could care less what answers I gave him.

Swimming pools, cars, knives, prescription pills.... Ban all the things.

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Originally posted by rscalzo:
...the doctor is far from anti gun and shoots himself when he has the time.

How much time does it take to shoot oneself? (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

My doctor also owns and shoots guns. We've never had an issue. (This is Texas, you know.)

flashguy

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Originally posted by Powers77:

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Originally posted by 18DAI:
Medical "professionals" kill far more people every year than firearms do.

Going to store this little gem away for future use.

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https://abcnews.go.com/Health/...un-violence-55843191

Frustrated AMA adopts sweeping policies to cut gun violence

By LINDSEY TANNER, AP MEDICAL WRITER CHICAGO
Jun 12, 2018, 3:36 PM ET

With frustration mounting over lawmakers' inaction on gun control, the American Medical Association on Tuesday pressed for a ban on assault weapons and came out against arming teachers as a way to fight what it calls a public health crisis.

At its annual policymaking meeting, the nation's largest physicians group bowed to unprecedented demands from doctor-members to take a stronger stand on gun violence — a problem the organizations says is as menacing as a lethal infectious disease.

The action comes against a backdrop of recurrent school shootings, everyday street violence in the nation's inner cities, and rising U.S. suicide rates.

"We as physicians are the witnesses to the human toll of this disease," Dr. Megan Ranney, an emergency-medicine specialist at Brown University, said at the meeting.

AMA delegates voted to adopt several of nearly a dozen gun-related proposals presented by doctor groups that are part of the AMA's membership. They agreed to:

— Support any bans on the purchase or possession of guns and ammunition by people under 21.

— Back laws that would require licensing and safety courses for gun owners and registration of all firearms.

— Press for legislation that would allow relatives of suicidal people or those who have threatened imminent violence to seek court-ordered removal of guns from the home.

— Encourage better training for physicians in how to recognize patients at risk for suicide.

— Push to eliminate loopholes in laws preventing the purchase or possession of guns by people found guilty of domestic violence, including expanding such measures to cover convicted stalkers.

Many AMA members are gun owners or supporters, including a doctor from Montana who told delegates of learning to shoot at a firing range in the basement of her middle school as part of gym class. But support for banning assault weapons was overwhelming, with the measure adopted in a 446-99 vote.

"There's a place to start and this should be it," Dr. Jim Hinsdale, a San Jose, California, trauma surgeon, said before the vote.

Gun violence is not a new issue for the AMA; it has supported past efforts to ban assault weapons; declared gun violence a public health crisis; backed background checks, waiting periods and better funding for mental health services; and pressed for more research on gun violence prevention.

But Dr. David Barbe, whose one-year term as AMA president ended Tuesday, called the number of related measures on this year's agenda extraordinary and said recent violence, including the Parkland, Florida, school shooting and the Las Vegas massacre, "spurred a new sense of urgency ... while Congress fails to act."

"It has been frustrating that we have seen so little action from either state or federal legislators," he said. "The most important audience for our message right now is our legislators, and second most important is the public, because sometimes it requires public pressure on the legislators."

While it is no longer viewed as the unified voice of American medicine, the AMA has more clout with politicians and the public than other doctor groups. It counted more than 243,000 members in 2017, up slightly for the seventh straight year. But it represents less than one-quarter of the nation's million-plus physicians.

AMA members cited U.S. government data showing almost 40,000 deaths by gun in 2016, including suicides, and nearly 111,000 gun injuries. Both have been rising in recent years.

By comparison, U.S. deaths from diabetes in 2016 totaled almost 80,000; Alzheimer's, 111,000; and lung disease, 155,000. The leaders are heart disease, with 634,000 deaths in 2016, and cancer, about 600,000.

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Originally posted by 18DAI:
Medical "professionals" kill far more people every year than firearms do.

Beat me to it. And its not even close.