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Why is the federal gov't (aka tax payers in the other 49 states in addition to Georgia) paying 90%? Atlanta people set Georgia DOT crap on fire and it collapsed the bridge.


Because it is a federal highway with an ~250,000 car traffic count/day?
According to GA DOT's website, the average annual daily traffic count for I-85 at:
  • the Alabama border was 38,900 per day.
  • the SC border was 47,000 per day.

    Therefore, why are the feds paying 90% instead of 20%?



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    Posts: 23246 | Location: Northern Suburbs of Houston | Registered: November 14, 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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    Originally posted by tatortodd:
    quote:
    Originally posted by rocket72:
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    Originally posted by tatortodd:
    Why is the federal gov't (aka tax payers in the other 49 states in addition to Georgia) paying 90%? Atlanta people set Georgia DOT crap on fire and it collapsed the bridge.


    Because it is a federal highway with an ~250,000 car traffic count/day?
    According to GA DOT's website, the average annual daily traffic count for I-85 at:
  • the Alabama border was 38,900 per day.
  • the SC border was 47,000 per day.

    Therefore, why are the feds paying 90% instead of 20%?


  • I'm sorry, how do the numbers for the two state lines matter exactly? If GDOT estimates roughly 243,000 vehicles use this section of I-85 daily, why would the desolate state line estimate matter? I've been on I-85 heading in and out of AL, as well as in and out of SC, they have 0 relation to the section that is missing here in Atlanta. It is part of a connection of 85/75/400/285. Those all feed a huge amount of traffic daily.
     
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    Originally posted by modestglock26:
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    Originally posted by tatortodd:
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    Originally posted by rocket72:
    quote:
    Originally posted by tatortodd:
    Why is the federal gov't (aka tax payers in the other 49 states in addition to Georgia) paying 90%? Atlanta people set Georgia DOT crap on fire and it collapsed the bridge.


    Because it is a federal highway with an ~250,000 car traffic count/day?
    According to GA DOT's website, the average annual daily traffic count for I-85 at:
  • the Alabama border was 38,900 per day.
  • the SC border was 47,000 per day.

    Therefore, why are the feds paying 90% instead of 20%?


  • I'm sorry, how do the numbers for the two state lines matter exactly? If GDOT estimates roughly 243,000 vehicles use this section of I-85 daily, why would the desolate state line estimate matter? I've been on I-85 heading in and out of AL, as well as in and out of SC, they have 0 relation to the section that is missing here in Atlanta. It is part of a connection of 85/75/400/285. Those all feed a huge amount of traffic daily.
    My point was about the federal gov't paying 90% when the local traffic is 80% and interstate (i.e. federal) traffic is 20% of the 243,000 vehicles per day.



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    Posts: 23246 | Location: Northern Suburbs of Houston | Registered: November 14, 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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    Originally posted by tatortodd:
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    Originally posted by modestglock26:
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    Originally posted by tatortodd:
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    Originally posted by rocket72:
    quote:
    Originally posted by tatortodd:
    Why is the federal gov't (aka tax payers in the other 49 states in addition to Georgia) paying 90%? Atlanta people set Georgia DOT crap on fire and it collapsed the bridge.


    Because it is a federal highway with an ~250,000 car traffic count/day?
    According to GA DOT's website, the average annual daily traffic count for I-85 at:
  • the Alabama border was 38,900 per day.
  • the SC border was 47,000 per day.

    Therefore, why are the feds paying 90% instead of 20%?


  • I'm sorry, how do the numbers for the two state lines matter exactly? If GDOT estimates roughly 243,000 vehicles use this section of I-85 daily, why would the desolate state line estimate matter? I've been on I-85 heading in and out of AL, as well as in and out of SC, they have 0 relation to the section that is missing here in Atlanta. It is part of a connection of 85/75/400/285. Those all feed a huge amount of traffic daily.
    My point was about the federal gov't paying 90% when the local traffic is 80% and interstate (i.e. federal) traffic is 20% of the 243,000 vehicles per day.


    So none of that traffic in that area of connected highways leaves GA via 75 to TN or FL, nor do they connect to 285 to leave on I20?

    With Hartsfield being such a busy airport for domestic and international flights, you'd probably see a nice chunk of your 90% not being locals to this state.
     
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    Originally posted by modestglock26:
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    Originally posted by tatortodd:
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    Originally posted by modestglock26:
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    Originally posted by tatortodd:
    quote:
    Originally posted by rocket72:
    quote:
    Originally posted by tatortodd:
    Why is the federal gov't (aka tax payers in the other 49 states in addition to Georgia) paying 90%? Atlanta people set Georgia DOT crap on fire and it collapsed the bridge.


    Because it is a federal highway with an ~250,000 car traffic count/day?
    According to GA DOT's website, the average annual daily traffic count for I-85 at:
  • the Alabama border was 38,900 per day.
  • the SC border was 47,000 per day.

    Therefore, why are the feds paying 90% instead of 20%?


  • I'm sorry, how do the numbers for the two state lines matter exactly? If GDOT estimates roughly 243,000 vehicles use this section of I-85 daily, why would the desolate state line estimate matter? I've been on I-85 heading in and out of AL, as well as in and out of SC, they have 0 relation to the section that is missing here in Atlanta. It is part of a connection of 85/75/400/285. Those all feed a huge amount of traffic daily.
    My point was about the federal gov't paying 90% when the local traffic is 80% and interstate (i.e. federal) traffic is 20% of the 243,000 vehicles per day.


    So none of that traffic in that area of connected highways leaves GA via 75 to TN or FL, nor do they connect to 285 to leave on I20?
    You could Google it yourself as you are also connected to the Internet, and it's the very first result. The answer is the same - Atlanta is a big, sprawling, multi-county metropolitan area and the supermajority of traffic going over that bridge is Georgia traffic not federal traffic so the feds paying 90% is ridiculous.

    I live in a big, sprawling, multi-county metropolitan area and wouldn't expect the other 49 states to pay much if we lost a bridge on I-10 or I-45.



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    Enough multi-quote and we can bridge it ourselves! Wink



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    The Feds pay 90% so they can impose requirements, specifications, noncompliance with which gets your federal funding cut off, and nobody wants that!

    Moreover, it is proof, if any were necessary, that your Congressman is an effective go-getter effectively serving the needs of his constituents.




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    Wouldn't it have to do with the way taxes are collected and the fact that Interstates are often federally funded roads? The higher portion of tax on fuel is federal.
     
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    The higher portion of tax on fuel is federal.
    That is not true except in 4 states. In 46 states, including Georgia, the state motor fuel tax is higher than the federal (18.4 cpg).
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    Jallen's hypothesis is the most plausible.



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    Re-opening on Monday, 1 month ahead of schedule.

    Nice job - earned their incentive pay.

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    Posts: 8295 | Location: in the red zone of the blue state, CT | Registered: October 15, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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    All the signs this morning said all lanes open on 85N.



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    Originally posted by tatortodd:
    quote:
    Originally posted by ScorpionBoy:
    The higher portion of tax on fuel is federal.
    That is not true except in 4 states. In 46 states, including Georgia, the state motor fuel tax is higher than the federal (18.4 cpg).

    Jallen's hypothesis is the most plausible.


    And the nice graphic is as of January 2017, leaving out the additional $0.12 per gallon recently passed in CA ($0.20 on diesel). It's supposed to be okay though because they are actually going to use these funds to maintain the roads instead of stealing them for other projects like they've done with the existing gas taxes. Only in Taxifornia...
     
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