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Additionally, he plans on coming out here in the fall to go hunting with me (we've done this several times when I loaned him a rifle) and if there's any way to work through Dept of State and ATF to enable him to return with the rifle legally (vs paying for shipping), I'd sure like to know about it.

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Question 12.d. Immigration Status:
An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa includes, among others, persons visiting the United States temporarily for business or pleasure, persons studying in the United States who maintain a residence abroad, and certain temporary foreign workers. These aliens must answer "yes" to this question and provide the additional documentation required under question 18.c. Permanent resident aliens and aliens legally admitted to the United States pursuant to either the Visa Waiver Program or to regulations otherwise exempting them from visa requirements may answer "no" to this question and are not required to submit the additional documentation under question 18.c.

Question 18.c. Exceptions to the Nonimmigrant Alien Prohibition and Acceptable Documentation:
An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa is not prohibited from purchasing, receiving, or possessing a
firearm if the alien: (1) is in possession of a hunting license or permit lawfully issued by the Federal Government, a State or local government, or an Indian tribe federally recognized by the Bureau of Indian Affairs, which is valid and unexpired....

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Additionally, he plans on coming out here in the fall to go hunting with me (we've done this several times when I loaned him a rifle) and if there's any way to work through Dept of State and ATF to enable him to return with the rifle legally (vs paying for shipping), I'd sure like to know about it.

Not being conversant with California laws, I can offer this one observation.

His export of a firearm legally transferred to him while in the United States by him will undoubtedly make the issue of exportation easier. An alien in the US on a nonimmigrant visa can purchase a rifle or shotgun in an over-the-counter-transaction at a federal firearms licensee provided they meet certain requirements spelled out in the instructions to Questions 12.d and 18.c. on the 4473.

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Question 12.d. Immigration Status:
An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa includes, among others, persons visiting the United States temporarily for business or pleasure, persons studying in the United States who maintain a residence abroad, and certain temporary foreign workers. These aliens must answer "yes" to this question and provide the additional documentation required under question 18.c. Permanent resident aliens and aliens legally admitted to the United States pursuant to either the Visa Waiver Program or to regulations otherwise exempting them from visa requirements may answer "no" to this question and are not required to submit the additional documentation under question 18.c.

Question 18.c. Exceptions to the Nonimmigrant Alien Prohibition and Acceptable Documentation:
An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa is not prohibited from purchasing, receiving, or possessing a
firearm if the alien: (1) is in possession of a hunting license or permit lawfully issued by the Federal Government, a State or local government, or an Indian tribe federally recognized by the Bureau of Indian Affairs, which is valid and unexpired....

So, you might want to speak with an outfitter who does expeditions for foreign nationals.

I will also poke at this question later tonight, assuming I get the chance.

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Originally posted by pulicords:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Additionally, he plans on coming out here in the fall to go hunting with me (we've done this several times when I loaned him a rifle) and if there's any way to work through Dept of State and ATF to enable him to return with the rifle legally (vs paying for shipping), I'd sure like to know about it.

Not being conversant with California laws, I can offer this one observation.

His export of a firearm legally transferred to him while in the United States by him will undoubtedly make the issue of exportation easier. An alien in the US on a nonimmigrant visa can purchase a rifle or shotgun in an over-the-counter-transaction at a federal firearms licensee provided they meet certain requirements spelled out in the instructions to Questions 12.d and 18.c. on the 4473.

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Question 12.d. Immigration Status:
An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa includes, among others, persons visiting the United States temporarily for business or pleasure, persons studying in the United States who maintain a residence abroad, and certain temporary foreign workers. These aliens must answer "yes" to this question and provide the additional documentation required under question 18.c. Permanent resident aliens and aliens legally admitted to the United States pursuant to either the Visa Waiver Program or to regulations otherwise exempting them from visa requirements may answer "no" to this question and are not required to submit the additional documentation under question 18.c.

Question 18.c. Exceptions to the Nonimmigrant Alien Prohibition and Acceptable Documentation:
An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa is not prohibited from purchasing, receiving, or possessing a
firearm if the alien: (1) is in possession of a hunting license or permit lawfully issued by the Federal Government, a State or local government, or an Indian tribe federally recognized by the Bureau of Indian Affairs, which is valid and unexpired....

So, you might want to speak with an outfitter who does expeditions for foreign nationals.

I will also poke at this question later tonight, assuming I get the chance.

I appreciate your help and since ATF offices are closed due to the Government "Shutdown", for the time being they're not available as a resource.

CA has a mandatory ten day "waiting period" for transfers, but suppose in this case my friend happens to be stopping off for a visit with family in a "gun friendly" state (such as Texas) before our hunting trip, where I could ship the rifle to an FFL for a lawful transfer (including instant check) under the conditions indicated above? It would appear that he'd still need the State Department clearance before he'd be able to return to his country after our hunt was completed. This in mind, still recognizing that his domestic flight from TX to CA could be accomplished with the rifle by merely checking it in as "declared-unloaded firearms" as checked luggage in the usual manner.

I recognize that there are a lot of "hoops", but if we can accomplish our goal legally by going through as few of them as possible, we'll do it that way.

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Originally posted by JJexp:

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Originally posted by pulicords:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Additionally, he plans on coming out here in the fall to go hunting with me (we've done this several times when I loaned him a rifle) and if there's any way to work through Dept of State and ATF to enable him to return with the rifle legally (vs paying for shipping), I'd sure like to know about it.

Not being conversant with California laws, I can offer this one observation.

His export of a firearm legally transferred to him while in the United States by him will undoubtedly make the issue of exportation easier. An alien in the US on a nonimmigrant visa can purchase a rifle or shotgun in an over-the-counter-transaction at a federal firearms licensee provided they meet certain requirements spelled out in the instructions to Questions 12.d and 18.c. on the 4473.

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Question 12.d. Immigration Status:
An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa includes, among others, persons visiting the United States temporarily for business or pleasure, persons studying in the United States who maintain a residence abroad, and certain temporary foreign workers. These aliens must answer "yes" to this question and provide the additional documentation required under question 18.c. Permanent resident aliens and aliens legally admitted to the United States pursuant to either the Visa Waiver Program or to regulations otherwise exempting them from visa requirements may answer "no" to this question and are not required to submit the additional documentation under question 18.c.

Question 18.c. Exceptions to the Nonimmigrant Alien Prohibition and Acceptable Documentation:
An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa is not prohibited from purchasing, receiving, or possessing a
firearm if the alien: (1) is in possession of a hunting license or permit lawfully issued by the Federal Government, a State or local government, or an Indian tribe federally recognized by the Bureau of Indian Affairs, which is valid and unexpired....

So, you might want to speak with an outfitter who does expeditions for foreign nationals.

I will also poke at this question later tonight, assuming I get the chance.

I appreciate your help and since ATF offices are closed due to the Government "Shutdown", for the time being they're not available as a resource.

CA has a mandatory ten day "waiting period" for transfers, but suppose in this case my friend happens to be stopping off for a visit with family in a "gun friendly" state (such as Texas) before our hunting trip, where I could ship the rifle to an FFL for a lawful transfer (including instant check) under the conditions indicated above? It would appear that he'd still need the State Department clearance before he'd be able to return to his country after our hunt was completed. This in mind, still recognizing that his domestic flight from TX to CA could be accomplished with the rifle by merely checking it in as "declared-unloaded firearms" as checked luggage in the usual manner.

I recognize that there are a lot of "hoops", but if we can accomplish our goal legally by going through as few of them as possible, we'll do it that way.

I think your biggest hurdle is going to be finding an ffl who is willing to do the transfer. I tried to import a rifle from abroad that was a gift from a friend in Europe. All of the hoops were easy, aside from convincing any of the dealers that what I wanted was legal. Documentation from the exporting country, copies of the U.S. regulations, and letters from Customs weren’t enough to convince any of the local FFLs that they could legally import, because it wasn’t a recurring thing. In the end, the rifle sits in Europe still.

The way around this is to find an FFL who deals with this sort of importation/exportation, (there are companies who do it professionally) but it wasn’t something I was interested in as their fees far exceeded the value of the rifle.

Good luck!

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Originally posted by JJexp:

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Originally posted by pulicords:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Additionally, he plans on coming out here in the fall to go hunting with me (we've done this several times when I loaned him a rifle) and if there's any way to work through Dept of State and ATF to enable him to return with the rifle legally (vs paying for shipping), I'd sure like to know about it.

Not being conversant with California laws, I can offer this one observation.

His export of a firearm legally transferred to him while in the United States by him will undoubtedly make the issue of exportation easier. An alien in the US on a nonimmigrant visa can purchase a rifle or shotgun in an over-the-counter-transaction at a federal firearms licensee provided they meet certain requirements spelled out in the instructions to Questions 12.d and 18.c. on the 4473.

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Question 12.d. Immigration Status:
An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa includes, among others, persons visiting the United States temporarily for business or pleasure, persons studying in the United States who maintain a residence abroad, and certain temporary foreign workers. These aliens must answer "yes" to this question and provide the additional documentation required under question 18.c. Permanent resident aliens and aliens legally admitted to the United States pursuant to either the Visa Waiver Program or to regulations otherwise exempting them from visa requirements may answer "no" to this question and are not required to submit the additional documentation under question 18.c.

Question 18.c. Exceptions to the Nonimmigrant Alien Prohibition and Acceptable Documentation:
An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa is not prohibited from purchasing, receiving, or possessing a
firearm if the alien: (1) is in possession of a hunting license or permit lawfully issued by the Federal Government, a State or local government, or an Indian tribe federally recognized by the Bureau of Indian Affairs, which is valid and unexpired....

So, you might want to speak with an outfitter who does expeditions for foreign nationals.

I will also poke at this question later tonight, assuming I get the chance.

I appreciate your help and since ATF offices are closed due to the Government "Shutdown", for the time being they're not available as a resource.

CA has a mandatory ten day "waiting period" for transfers, but suppose in this case my friend happens to be stopping off for a visit with family in a "gun friendly" state (such as Texas) before our hunting trip, where I could ship the rifle to an FFL for a lawful transfer (including instant check) under the conditions indicated above? It would appear that he'd still need the State Department clearance before he'd be able to return to his country after our hunt was completed. This in mind, still recognizing that his domestic flight from TX to CA could be accomplished with the rifle by merely checking it in as "declared-unloaded firearms" as checked luggage in the usual manner.

I recognize that there are a lot of "hoops", but if we can accomplish our goal legally by going through as few of them as possible, we'll do it that way.

I think your biggest hurdle is going to be finding an ffl who is willing to do the transfer. I tried to import a rifle from abroad that was a gift from a friend in Europe. All of the hoops were easy, aside from convincing any of the dealers that what I wanted was legal. Documentation from the exporting country, copies of the U.S. regulations, and letters from Customs weren’t enough to convince any of the local FFLs that they could legally import, because it wasn’t a recurring thing. In the end, the rifle sits in Europe still.

The way around this is to find an FFL who deals with this sort of importation/exportation, (there are companies who do it professionally) but it wasn’t something I was interested in as their fees far exceeded the value of the rifle.

Good luck!

I hold an 01 FFL and I'll do it just for the experience.

I think PA allows out of state purchase of long guns.

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Originally posted by mrvmax:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Originally posted by JJexp:

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Originally posted by pulicords:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Additionally, he plans on coming out here in the fall to go hunting with me (we've done this several times when I loaned him a rifle) and if there's any way to work through Dept of State and ATF to enable him to return with the rifle legally (vs paying for shipping), I'd sure like to know about it.

Not being conversant with California laws, I can offer this one observation.

His export of a firearm legally transferred to him while in the United States by him will undoubtedly make the issue of exportation easier. An alien in the US on a nonimmigrant visa can purchase a rifle or shotgun in an over-the-counter-transaction at a federal firearms licensee provided they meet certain requirements spelled out in the instructions to Questions 12.d and 18.c. on the 4473.

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Question 12.d. Immigration Status:
An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa includes, among others, persons visiting the United States temporarily for business or pleasure, persons studying in the United States who maintain a residence abroad, and certain temporary foreign workers. These aliens must answer "yes" to this question and provide the additional documentation required under question 18.c. Permanent resident aliens and aliens legally admitted to the United States pursuant to either the Visa Waiver Program or to regulations otherwise exempting them from visa requirements may answer "no" to this question and are not required to submit the additional documentation under question 18.c.

Question 18.c. Exceptions to the Nonimmigrant Alien Prohibition and Acceptable Documentation:
An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa is not prohibited from purchasing, receiving, or possessing a
firearm if the alien: (1) is in possession of a hunting license or permit lawfully issued by the Federal Government, a State or local government, or an Indian tribe federally recognized by the Bureau of Indian Affairs, which is valid and unexpired....

So, you might want to speak with an outfitter who does expeditions for foreign nationals.

I will also poke at this question later tonight, assuming I get the chance.

I appreciate your help and since ATF offices are closed due to the Government "Shutdown", for the time being they're not available as a resource.

CA has a mandatory ten day "waiting period" for transfers, but suppose in this case my friend happens to be stopping off for a visit with family in a "gun friendly" state (such as Texas) before our hunting trip, where I could ship the rifle to an FFL for a lawful transfer (including instant check) under the conditions indicated above? It would appear that he'd still need the State Department clearance before he'd be able to return to his country after our hunt was completed. This in mind, still recognizing that his domestic flight from TX to CA could be accomplished with the rifle by merely checking it in as "declared-unloaded firearms" as checked luggage in the usual manner.

I recognize that there are a lot of "hoops", but if we can accomplish our goal legally by going through as few of them as possible, we'll do it that way.

I think your biggest hurdle is going to be finding an ffl who is willing to do the transfer. I tried to import a rifle from abroad that was a gift from a friend in Europe. All of the hoops were easy, aside from convincing any of the dealers that what I wanted was legal. Documentation from the exporting country, copies of the U.S. regulations, and letters from Customs weren’t enough to convince any of the local FFLs that they could legally import, because it wasn’t a recurring thing. In the end, the rifle sits in Europe still.

The way around this is to find an FFL who deals with this sort of importation/exportation, (there are companies who do it professionally) but it wasn’t something I was interested in as their fees far exceeded the value of the rifle.

Good luck!

I hold an 01 FFL and I'll do it just for the experience.

I think PA allows out of state purchase of long guns.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/q...cense-export-firearm

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
I wasn't speaking of Pullicord, I was offering to help you import the rifle that "sits still in Europe."

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Originally posted by tacfoley:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
I wasn't speaking of Pullicord, I was offering to help you import the rifle that "sits still in Europe."

And all this time I've been under the impression that the OP wants to SEND a rifle to this guy in Europe.

tac

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Originally posted by Sig2340:JJexp, however, mentioned IMPORTING a rifle from Europe. My response was to him, not Pullicords.

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Originally posted by tacfoley:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:JJexp, however, mentioned IMPORTING a rifle from Europe. My response was to him, not Pullicords.

Thank you for the elucidatement, Sir.

tac

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
I hold an 01 FFL

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Originally posted by vthoky:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
I hold an 01 FFL

So as to not derail the thread, may I email you with a question about inter-state transfers?

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Originally posted by vthoky:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
I hold an 01 FFL

So as to not derail the thread, may I email you with a question about inter-state transfers?

Sure, or just call me.