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Along the same lines of this thread; Have any of you ever heard of an oil filter coming loose and leaking when not tighten enough?
I am not talking about the double gasket failure.


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Second to one of the above using a K&N filter is just asking for trouble.

While I think their air filters are overrated (leave this for another time), but what's wrong with their oil filters?


Last I heard, nothing!

They used to be manufactured by Champion and are very similar to Mobil 1 filters. I've used them historically on my cars, but I've since switched to Wix or Amsoil filters.
 
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What kind of car? Some engines have oil filters in places where you can't get your whole hand in to turn the filter. In that case the filter needs to be tightened with a wrench, but obviously not too much. A rule of thumb is roughly three quarters of a turn after the gasket makes contact with the engine. The gasket - or the sealing surface on the engine - wants light lubrication as well. I'll also point out that your over-tightened filter just caused some inconvenience, but believe me, not nearly as much as being loose and pumping the oil out.
 
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Along the same lines of this thread; Have any of you ever heard of an oil filter coming loose and leaking when not tighten enough?
I am not talking about the double gasket failure.

Yes, a Ferrari. From a mechanic who dealt with it.

Talk about an engine locking up.


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Last I heard, nothing!

They used to be manufactured by Champion and are very similar to Mobil 1 filters. I've used them historically on my cars, but I've since switched to Wix or Amsoil filters.


Who makes the Amsoil filters? The weight and build consistency are very similar to Mobil 1 filters, IMO.

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Originally posted by egregore:
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Originally posted by hrcjon:

Second to one of the above using a K&N filter is just asking for trouble.

While I think their air filters are overrated (leave this for another time), but what's wrong with their oil filters?


Last I heard, nothing!

They used to be manufactured by Champion and are very similar to Mobil 1 filters. I've used them historically on my cars, but I've since switched to Wix or Amsoil filters.


Some folks over oil them and get their MAF sensor gummed up.


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If they would simply put a 3/8 drive stamped into the end of filter itself it would solve all the filter wrench problems.
You mean like a standard aircraft oil filter?





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Have any of you ever heard of an oil filter coming loose and leaking when not tighten enough?
Again, referring to standard aircraft practices, it just takes a minute to safety-wire the filter so that it can not unscrew itself. If you want to see what I mean, I can take a photo of one later this week when I'm at the hangar.

If you look at the photo above, there are little "ears" sticking out just under the bolt-head at the top of the filter. You can't see the detail from the angle in this photo, but these ears have holes in them; that's where the safety-wire is threaded through.



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Originally posted by egregore:
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Originally posted by hrcjon:

Second to one of the above using a K&N filter is just asking for trouble.

While I think their air filters are overrated (leave this for another time), but what's wrong with their oil filters?


Last I heard, nothing!

They used to be manufactured by Champion and are very similar to Mobil 1 filters. I've used them historically on my cars, but I've since switched to Wix or Amsoil filters.


Some folks over oil them and get their MAF sensor gummed up.
Point of order - we're discussing oil filters (K&N makes a good one) not air filters.



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Grab it as close to the base as you can with whatever filter wrench you have. That's the strongest part of the filter. Contrary to popular belief, the screwdriver through the body is a bad idea. That's only weak sheetmetal. If space and leverage permit, a strap wrench is probably your best bet.


Double up. Exactly like above plus a proper size cap wrench.
 
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Point of order - we're discussing oil filters (K&N makes a good one) not air filters.



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Originally posted by g8rforester:
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Originally posted by egregore:
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Originally posted by hrcjon:

Second to one of the above using a K&N filter is just asking for trouble.

While I think their air filters are overrated (leave this for another time), but what's wrong with their oil filters?


Last I heard, nothing!

They used to be manufactured by Champion and are very similar to Mobil 1 filters. I've used them historically on my cars, but I've since switched to Wix or Amsoil filters.


Some folks over oil them and get their MAF sensor gummed up.
Point of order - we're discussing oil filters (K&N makes a good one) not air filters.


Oh...duh. It's early.


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Not trying to fan any flames, but I have to wonder, if a filter is installed incorrectly, i.e., no lube/too tight, would a tacked on hex on top of the filter actually hold and not break off while trying to remove the filter?




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If you have a vertical mount, it is smart to fill the filter with oil before installing.


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If you have a vertical mount, it is smart to fill the filter with oil before installing.


For sure and regardless of the position of the filter, at least wet the element with lube oil.




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Originally posted by egregore:
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Originally posted by hrcjon:

Second to one of the above using a K&N filter is just asking for trouble.

While I think their air filters are overrated (leave this for another time), but what's wrong with their oil filters?


Last I heard, nothing!

They used to be manufactured by Champion and are very similar to Mobil 1 filters. I've used them historically on my cars, but I've since switched to Wix or Amsoil filters.


Some folks over oil them and get their MAF sensor gummed up.


That is user error and does not make it a bad product.
Nothing wrong with K&N air filters when oiled properly.
I prefer a dry media filter but have used K&Ns with good results way back in the day when performance dry media filters were less prevelant.


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If you have a vertical mount, it is smart to fill the filter with oil before installing.


For sure and regardless of the position of the filter, at least wet the element with lube oil.


Some HD engine manufacturers recommend not filling filter since they don't want unfiltered oil passing through the engine.
 
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Along the same lines of this thread; Have any of you ever heard of an oil filter coming loose and leaking when not tighten enough?
I am not talking about the double gasket failure.


Yes, quite a long time ago. I was going into a 7/11 when I saw my neighbor outside of his Ford Ranger with a look of disgust on his face. He just change his oil and gone out for a pack of smokes. He didn't tighten the filter good enough. Leaked all the oil by the time he got to the store. Lost the engine.


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Some HD engine manufacturers recommend not filling filter since they don't want unfiltered oil passing through the engine.


When you pour clean oil into the engine, from a new bottle of oil, is it filtered? Now when you pour the same clean oil into an oil filter to prevent a dry start, is that a problem, because its "unfiltered"?

That's just nonsense. Its better to have clean oil in your filter (on a vertically mounted filter that you can pre-fill) than a dry filter. Its the same oil that is getting poured into the engine crankcase...


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Some HD engine manufacturers recommend not filling filter since they don't want unfiltered oil passing through the engine.
When you pour clean oil into the engine, from a new bottle of oil, is it filtered? Now when you pour the same clean oil into an oil filter to prevent a dry start, is that a problem, because its "unfiltered"?

That's just nonsense. Its better to have clean oil in your filter (on a vertically mounted filter that you can pre-fill) than a dry filter. Its the same oil that is getting poured into the engine crankcase...
Please stop being logical. Are you trying to ruin the whole thread? Razz



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Have any of you ever heard of an oil filter coming loose and leaking when not tighten enough?


Yes! Brother in law, plumber, service van. Had oil change at a local shop. He has a gravel drive and didn't notice it leaking until the low oil pressure light came on. He topped it off. Again, in a day or two it was low again. He was busy and ran it a couple days more, he was adding a quart or more a day in it until he could return to the shop and have it checked. Filter was loose.
Just to be safe they replaced the filter and steam cleaned the undercarriage.



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