Hollywood actress attends anti-gun protest........with armed guards

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Originally posted by cjevans:
For myself, if the private security gentleman identified as an off duty LEO, I would respect that. I would maintain a friendly dialogue in any case, yet being mindful of my own ... space.

Hard to be a 30 second quarterback isn't it?

My issue is, is he being there as hired private security or is he there working for public safety?

Seems total bullshit to me he can use credentials paid for by the taxpayer for him to throw around while working privately.

Either you're on duty or you're not, pick one.

"Oh, I wanna play police right now and run this red light..."

Another issue, fix the compensation so cops don't have to work side jobs to make ends meet. The work/stress to pay ratio is pretty bad for most from what I've seen.

Private security and off duty employment generally have two completely different meaning in most jurisdictions.

Go to Florida and you will see “off duty” officers in uniform working the door at bars and clubs checking IDs. They are paid by the establishment but are there for public safety.
Same goes for Wal-Marts, malls, sporting events, fairs, festivals, etc. across the country.

Many off duty gigs pay $50+ an hour and usually are fairly simple just walk around and be seen.

Many seemed surprised she would hire armed security or the event would have it.

One Of the main mantras of the left is “a gun for me but not for thee.”

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Excuse me, what right does a private security guard have to tell people where they can stand?

Being that we only have a 30 second clip of the event. It is hard to tell. But as I pointed earlier.
The security guard have have been 100% legally right to knock someone on their tail based upon the situations.
Many cities grant permits and rental areas for protest and other purposes that the permit holder can restrict access to and hire private security to handle the security, which can include physical removal of individuals from the permitted area.

So all you folks thinking you are just going to go stomping around where you want and hope the fella in shades and a dress suit knocks you to your ass so you can call Morgan and Morgan. Might want to tread a little lighter if you don't know the full circumstances.

I hear what you're saying, but if I'm simply standing there taking it all in, sans a bullhorn, and not having made 'any' aggressive moves against the person who this clown was hired to protect, he can kiss my lilly white ass if he doesn't like my hat or t-shirt, I'm not going anywhere. And at 6'3" / 230, I'm not being shoved around anywhere by Leroy and his all black ensemble and intimidation efforts. Invade my personal space and/or get in my face, but I'm not moving an inch until a uniformed officer tells me otherwise. Then it becomes a potential legal matter.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
Go to Florida and you will see “off duty” officers in uniform working the door at bars and clubs checking IDs. They are paid by the establishment but are there for public safety.

Uh, no, that's not how it works for the Orlando Police Department or the Orange County Sheriff's Office, the two biggest agencies in Central Florida. The officers are indeed in uniform and many arrive in a department squad car to do their off-duty gigs, but the establishment most assuredly does not pay the officers. As a matter of fact, that is strictly prohibited. Contracts are signed between the business establishment and the particular agency, and all payments are made to the agency, with the agency paying the officers, of course after taking a piece for itself.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
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Originally posted by Black92LX:
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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Excuse me, what right does a private security guard have to tell people where they can stand?

Being that we only have a 30 second clip of the event. It is hard to tell. But as I pointed earlier.
The security guard have have been 100% legally right to knock someone on their tail based upon the situations.
Many cities grant permits and rental areas for protest and other purposes that the permit holder can restrict access to and hire private security to handle the security, which can include physical removal of individuals from the permitted area.

So all you folks thinking you are just going to go stomping around where you want and hope the fella in shades and a dress suit knocks you to your ass so you can call Morgan and Morgan. Might want to tread a little lighter if you don't know the full circumstances.
I hear what you're saying, but if I'm simply standing there taking it all in, sans a bullhorn, and not having made 'any' aggressive moves against the person who this clown was hired to protect, he can kiss my lilly white ass if he doesn't like my hat or t-shirt, I'm not going anywhere. And at 6'3" / 230, I'm not being shoved around anywhere by Leroy and his all black ensemble and intimidation efforts. Invade my personal space and/or get in my face, but I'm not moving an inch until a uniformed officer tells me otherwise. Then it becomes a potential legal matter.

Depending upon the situation a legal matter you will likely lose.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
Go to Florida and you will see “off duty” officers in uniform working the door at bars and clubs checking IDs. They are paid by the establishment but are there for public safety.
Uh, no, that's not how it works for the Orlando Police Department or the Orange County Sheriff's Office, the two biggest agencies in Central Florida. The officers are indeed in uniform and many arrive in a department squad car to do their off-duty gigs, but the establishment most assuredly does not pay the officers. As a matter of fact, that is strictly prohibited. Contracts are signed between the business establishment and the particular agency, and all payments are made to the agency, with the agency paying the officers, of course after taking a piece for itself.

Sorry for my poor wording, I understand the officers are not paid directly in these scenarios by the establishment but the establishment is paying the bill not the taxpayers.

Here we can’t work for a liquor licensed establishment in any capacity at all.
All other non liquor licensed places are fair game paid directly to the officer by the establishment as long as they provide workers compensation insurance and their business is of legal means.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Excuse me, what right does a private security guard have to tell people where they can stand?

Being that we only have a 30 second clip of the event. It is hard to tell. But as I pointed earlier.
The security guard have have been 100% legally right to knock someone on their tail based upon the situations.
Many cities grant permits and rental areas for protest and other purposes that the permit holder can restrict access to and hire private security to handle the security, which can include physical removal of individuals from the permitted area.

So all you folks thinking you are just going to go stomping around where you want and hope the fella in shades and a dress suit knocks you to your ass so you can call Morgan and Morgan. Might want to tread a little lighter if you don't know the full circumstances.

Wrong. No one, including the Police have the right to "knock someone on their tail" simply because they refuse to obey them. They can of course inform that person that they are now under arrest for Criminal Trespass if they refuse to leave after he ASK'S them to leave and they refuse but that gives them the right to put the cuffs on them, not "knock them on their tail". And that applies if they are on duty or off duty employed by a private entity.

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In this case if they "knock them on their tail" there would be about 50 cameras showing the tail knocking from about 50 different viewpoints.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Excuse me, what right does a private security guard have to tell people where they can stand?

Being that we only have a 30 second clip of the event. It is hard to tell. But as I pointed earlier.
The security guard have have been 100% legally right to knock someone on their tail based upon the situations.
Many cities grant permits and rental areas for protest and other purposes that the permit holder can restrict access to and hire private security to handle the security, which can include physical removal of individuals from the permitted area.

So all you folks thinking you are just going to go stomping around where you want and hope the fella in shades and a dress suit knocks you to your ass so you can call Morgan and Morgan. Might want to tread a little lighter if you don't know the full circumstances.

Wrong. No one, including the Police have the right to "knock someone on their tail" simply because they refuse to obey them. They can of course inform that person that they are now under arrest for Criminal Trespass if they refuse to leave after he ASK'S them to leave and they refuse but that gives them the right to put the cuffs on them, not "knock them on their tail". And that applies if they are on duty or off duty employed by a private entity.

An officer and private security in many jurisdictions can you physical force to move people from certain areas before attempting to make a physical arrest. In many of those instance guess where the noncompliant person ends up??

Beyond that Considering most of the folks in here are blathering on and on about not caring what this guy says I am going to guess when the cuffs come out it won’t be sorry Sir, I’ll just turn around now cuff me.
One pull away when the attempt for cuffs to go on no issues with being taken down what so ever.

Not sure about Dallas but there are plenty of jurisdiction where private security can physically handcuff you for not obeying their orders. You want to get silly and sqwak you are not doing yourself any good.

While yes ol girl is being hypocritical I am betting the video poster is being a bit disingenuous as we only have a 30 second clip. I would be willing to be he knows good and well he is in an area that is restricted or he is not to be in the first place.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
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Originally posted by Bulldog7972:
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Originally posted by Black92LX:
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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Excuse me, what right does a private security guard have to tell people where they can stand?

Being that we only have a 30 second clip of the event. It is hard to tell. But as I pointed earlier.
The security guard have have been 100% legally right to knock someone on their tail based upon the situations.
Many cities grant permits and rental areas for protest and other purposes that the permit holder can restrict access to and hire private security to handle the security, which can include physical removal of individuals from the permitted area.

So all you folks thinking you are just going to go stomping around where you want and hope the fella in shades and a dress suit knocks you to your ass so you can call Morgan and Morgan. Might want to tread a little lighter if you don't know the full circumstances.

Wrong. No one, including the Police have the right to "knock someone on their tail" simply because they refuse to obey them. They can of course inform that person that they are now under arrest for Criminal Trespass if they refuse to leave after he ASK'S them to leave and they refuse but that gives them the right to put the cuffs on them, not "knock them on their tail". And that applies if they are on duty or off duty employed by a private entity.

An officer and private security in many jurisdictions can you physical force to move people from certain areas before attempting to make a physical arrest. In many of those instance guess where the noncompliant person ends up??

Beyond that Considering most of the folks in here are blathering on and on about not caring what this guy says I am going to guess when the cuffs come out it won’t be sorry Sir, I’ll just turn around now cuff me.
One pull away when the attempt for cuffs to go on no issues with being taken down what so ever.

Not sure about Dallas but there are plenty of jurisdiction where private security can physically handcuff you for not obeying their orders. You want to get silly and sqwak you are not doing yourself any good.

While yes ol girl is being hypocritical I am betting the video poster is being a bit disingenuous as we only have a 30 second clip. I would be willing to be he knows good and well he is in an area that is restricted or he is not to be in the first place.

The law in Texas is pretty simple and is contained in 14.01 CCP.

It requires a felony or a breach of the peace to provide justification for a non peace officer to make an on-view arrest (security guards have the same arrest authority as any other private citizen). Anyone may also arrest for theft under 18.16 CCP.

Criminal trespass is not a breach of the peace and neither is "not respecting some dude in a suit"

Most of the times I have seen security guards apply handcuffs, the only provable crime has been Unlawful restraint (against the security guard). If they draw down and arrest someone for something they have no authority to arrest for, it actually meets all of the elements of aggravated kidnapping.

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Thanks for the Texas clarification.
Would be nice to see a few minutes of video prior to the 30 second clip.

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Originally posted by Bulldog7972:
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Originally posted by Black92LX:
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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Excuse me, what right does a private security guard have to tell people where they can stand?

Being that we only have a 30 second clip of the event. It is hard to tell. But as I pointed earlier.
The security guard have have been 100% legally right to knock someone on their tail based upon the situations.
Many cities grant permits and rental areas for protest and other purposes that the permit holder can restrict access to and hire private security to handle the security, which can include physical removal of individuals from the permitted area.

So all you folks thinking you are just going to go stomping around where you want and hope the fella in shades and a dress suit knocks you to your ass so you can call Morgan and Morgan. Might want to tread a little lighter if you don't know the full circumstances.

Wrong. No one, including the Police have the right to "knock someone on their tail" simply because they refuse to obey them. They can of course inform that person that they are now under arrest for Criminal Trespass if they refuse to leave after he ASK'S them to leave and they refuse but that gives them the right to put the cuffs on them, not "knock them on their tail". And that applies if they are on duty or off duty employed by a private entity.

An officer and private security in many jurisdictions can you physical force to move people from certain areas before attempting to make a physical arrest. In many of those instance guess where the noncompliant person ends up??

Beyond that Considering most of the folks in here are blathering on and on about not caring what this guy says I am going to guess when the cuffs come out it won’t be sorry Sir, I’ll just turn around now cuff me.
One pull away when the attempt for cuffs to go on no issues with being taken down what so ever.

Not sure about Dallas but there are plenty of jurisdiction where private security can physically handcuff you for not obeying their orders. You want to get silly and sqwak you are not doing yourself any good.

While yes ol girl is being hypocritical I am betting the video poster is being a bit disingenuous as we only have a 30 second clip. I would be willing to be he knows good and well he is in an area that is restricted or he is not to be in the first place.

You are grasping at straws now. That guy allowed himself to be bullied.

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I am an old geezer so I don’t know who the movie star is. Can some one post a photo so I can look upon her. She can’t be too famous If I never heard of her.

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I am an old geezer so I don’t know who the movie star is. Can some one post a photo so I can look upon her. She can’t be too famous If I never heard of her.

I never heard of her either, but this is what Google brought up:

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She was the kid on Who's the Boss.

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She was the kid on Who's the Boss.

She was also the daughter in Commando.

And she's obviously pregnant in that photo above.

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She was the kid on Who's the Boss.

She was also the daughter in Commando.

And she's obviously pregnant in that photo above.

She may be, but it looks like her thighs, upper arms, and even her hands are all about to give birth. LOL

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she's obviously pregnant in that photo above.

Not my fault. I don't know her. I never even saw her.

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Originally posted by synthplayer:
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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
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Originally posted by thunderson:
She was the kid on Who's the Boss.
She was also the daughter in Commando.

And she's obviously pregnant in that photo above.
She may be, but it looks like her thighs, upper arms, and even her hands are all about to give birth. LOL

What the fuck? How long have you been a member of this forum?????

V-TAIL- WHY did you feel it necessary to post that photo? I'd like an answer, please, from both of you.

What the fuck, gentlemen? HOW MANY TIMES do we have to go over this? Have I not made myself CRYSTAL FUCKING CLEAR on things like this?

Explain yourself, gentlemen. In case you missed it, she's pregnant in that pic, and for that photo to be posted and commented upon in this manner is unacceptable.

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