jljones, if she had off-duty LEOs as part of her personal security detail, would they have any special rights due to their job? If they felt the person being protected was being threatened, does the law allow them to arrest people?

How do the rights of a licensed for hire security detail differ from an on duty LEO protective detail?

I'd like to get the opinion of LEOs and lawyers on this.

All he needed to do was suddenly stop in his tracks as the guard backed him up. And not move. If the guard keeps coming, he doesn't need to pretend to flop over, he will be pushed down. I think there are a few possible law suits there. Either that, or the guard stops too (which I'll bet is what would have happened) and he remains standing where he has every right to be. As I watched that video, I thought, "Why in hell is he backing up??"

Exactly.^

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Originally posted by mbinky:
So what if they have permits. Not the point. Do they have police powers? Do they have the power to tell people what to do in public? Does a security billet allow them to tell people where they need to be on a public thoroughfare?

It is possible.
Dependent upon the city and the permit. One can get permits or rent areas of public space and then limit those that are allowed to be there during the time the permit/rental is designated. Private security can be hired and remove people from the area. While they do not have full police powers the jurisdiction private security rules can come into play.

Not sure how Dallas works but this looked to be a protest with stages and the like so a permit for that area is not out of the realm of possibility.

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Originally posted by deepocean:
jljones, if she had off-duty LEOs as part of her personal security detail, would they have any special rights due to their job? If they felt the person being protected was being threatened, does the law allow them to arrest people?

How do the rights of a licensed for hire security detail differ from an on duty LEO protective detail?

I'd like to get the opinion of LEOs and lawyers on this.

You posted just before I did.

But it depends on jurisdiction.

Here a sworn LEO working in an off duty capacity has the ability to use pretty much any law enforcement power.

Private security (non-sworn) is limited to those outlined by the jurisdiction but in many places does include the physical removal from a location and or physical detention (handcuffs or other legal restraints) until sworn LEOs arrive.

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Originally posted by deepocean:
jljones, if she had off-duty LEOs as part of her personal security detail, would they have any special rights due to their job? If they felt the person being protected was being threatened, does the law allow them to arrest people?

How do the rights of a licensed for hire security detail differ from an on duty LEO protective detail?

I'd like to get the opinion of LEOs and lawyers on this.

Different agencies handle stuff like that differently. And it is a double edged sword. While they may have the arrest authority in outside employment, it also comes with the whole Constitutional quagmire as if they are "on duty" per se, they are agents of the government, and can be sued for a host of Constitutional violations if they apply.

Which is all the more reason to stop with the "give-them-a-taste-of-their-own-medicine-I'm-gonna-flop-on-the-ground-like-a-five-year-old". Make them actually do something. Like Bulldog said, if they want to act like a bully, let them, it's a public place. When jackleg tells them that they need to go stand over there, reply to him "And I'm going to need you to kiss my taint". Then if he hits you, shoves you, whatever, call the police. Or stomp his ass. It's all going to be on video one way or another.

I would have politely told the armed security guy to fuck off and that I will stand as close to his boss as I cared to do. Let him lay a finger on me, and a nice chunk of mizz Milano's capital would flow into my bank account.

Robotic mindless drone...

That guy never played basketball. Plant your feet and let the bodyguard take a charge.

Excuse me, what right does a private security guard have to tell people where they can stand?

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Originally posted by Ackks:
That guy never played basketball. Plant your feet and let the bodyguard take a charge.

Actually, you are the one taking the charge in B-Ball; the bodyguard would be guilty of "charging"...same outcome though. The guard gets penalized.

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Originally posted by gearhounds:

Actually, you are the one taking the charge in B-Ball; the bodyguard would be guilty of "charging"...same outcome though. The guard gets penalized.

Let him get called for charging. You know what I was saying even if I worded it poorly.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Excuse me, what right does a private security guard have to tell people where they can stand?

Being that we only have a 30 second clip of the event. It is hard to tell. But as I pointed earlier.
The security guard have have been 100% legally right to knock someone on their tail based upon the situations.
Many cities grant permits and rental areas for protest and other purposes that the permit holder can restrict access to and hire private security to handle the security, which can include physical removal of individuals from the permitted area.

So all you folks thinking you are just going to go stomping around where you want and hope the fella in shades and a dress suit knocks you to your ass so you can call Morgan and Morgan. Might want to tread a little lighter if you don't know the full circumstances.

Was this a security guard for the event or a bodyguard for the person?

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by Bulldog7972:
That guy is a pussy. He should have stood his ground and refused to move. Whats the security guard going to do? Push him? Then it's on. Take a defensive posture and let the security guard bring his best game. Looks like this incident occurred in a public place. He had every right to be there as much as anyone. Pussy.

Yep, this.

+1.

Everyone enjoys a public place.

If that was a march and a permit then there maybe some restrictions?

For myself, if the private security gentleman identified as an off duty LEO, I would respect that. I would maintain a friendly dialogue in any case, yet being mindful of my own ... space.

Hard to be a 30 second quarterback isn't it?

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Originally posted by downtownv:
She's 10 years too late for posing naked in a magazine.
Does anyone look up to her as a leader?
Waaaay to irrelevant.

Nah, she should just go back to porn.

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Originally posted by cjevans:
For myself, if the private security gentleman identified as an off duty LEO, I would respect that. I would maintain a friendly dialogue in any case, yet being mindful of my own ... space.

Hard to be a 30 second quarterback isn't it?

My issue is, is he being there as hired private security or is he there working for public safety?

Seems total bullshit to me he can use credentials paid for by the taxpayer for him to throw around while working privately.

Either you're on duty or you're not, pick one.

"Oh, I wanna play police right now and run this red light..."

Another issue, fix the compensation so cops don't have to work side jobs to make ends meet. The work/stress to pay ratio is pretty bad for most from what I've seen.

I would not have backed up. It was being filmed. He would have been forced to push me physically or place his hands on me - or knocked me to the ground. The film would show he was the aggressor.

As soon as he put his hands on me it would have been game on. Accost me in a public venue? Take your chances and be prepared to write checks.

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Originally posted by Jager:
I would not have backed up. It was being filmed. He would have been forced to push me physically or place his hands on me - or knocked me to the ground. The film would show he was the aggressor.

As soon as he put his hands on me it would have been game on. Accost me in a public venue? Take your chances and be prepared to write checks.

No doubt many would react the same way. But I wouldn't turn the resultant fracas into a litigious nightmare ...

I remember well, one lesson.

There is always someone better.