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The Trump Presidency : Year III
September 10, 2019, 11:26 AM
benny6The Trump Presidency : Year III
I informed John Bolton last night that his services are no longer needed at the White House. I disagreed strongly with many of his suggestions, as did others in the Administration, and therefore....
...I asked John for his resignation, which was given to me this morning. I thank John very much for his service. I will be naming a new National Security Advisor next week.https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump Owner, TonyBen, LLC, Type-07 FFL
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September 10, 2019, 11:38 AM
PASigquote:
Originally posted by benny6:
President Trump just tweeting... John Bolton is out. Asked for his resignation last night. Resigned this morning.
Tony.
That's very surprising to me as Bolton was one of his biggest cheerleaders.
I'd heard some things though about him that gave me pause, such as being too hawkish and pushing for war with Iran, etc.
I'm sure Democrats will celebrate yet again about how "dysfunctional" and "in disarray" Trump's Cabinet is.
September 10, 2019, 12:16 PM
LS1 GTOI wonder if Bolton being out has anything with the Taliban being invited onto American soil?
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September 10, 2019, 12:18 PM
Balzé HalzéDoesn't surprise me in the very least. Trump is not a war hawk. If y'all haven't noticed, he has been trying to pull our troops out of these perpetual shitholes and has been trying to avoid going to war over every little thing. Bolton on the other hand wants to go to war with just about everyone. I bet Trump was just finally sick of Bolton constantly whispering "war, war, war" into his ear at every single opportunity. Bolton is s neo-con after all, and Trump most certainly is not.
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BamaJeepsterThis is exactly what I was going to say but this guy beat me to it, so here it is:
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benny6Rush has been saying the same thing this past 15 minutes.
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September 10, 2019, 12:33 PM
PASigThe timing with the ill-fated Camp David Taliban meeting (which the Left has been going apeshit over if you haven't noticed) and this dismissal is curious.
September 10, 2019, 02:23 PM
chellim1quote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Doesn't surprise me in the very least. Trump is not a war hawk. If y'all haven't noticed, he has been trying to pull our troops out of these perpetual shitholes and has been trying to avoid going to war over every little thing. Bolton on the other hand wants to go to war with just about everyone. I bet Trump was just finally sick of Bolton constantly whispering "war, war, war" into his ear at every single opportunity. Bolton is s neo-con after all, and Trump most certainly is not.
Yep.
Bolton is a smart, well-informed guy about a lot of things, but not a good fit for Trump.
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12131quote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Doesn't surprise me in the very least. Trump is not a war hawk. If y'all haven't noticed, he has been trying to pull our troops out of these perpetual shitholes and has been trying to avoid going to war over every little thing. Bolton on the other hand wants to go to war with just about everyone. I bet Trump was just finally sick of Bolton constantly whispering "war, war, war" into his ear at every single opportunity. Bolton is s neo-con after all, and Trump most certainly is not.
Sums it up. This guy has always been a hawk, from the Bush years.
Q
September 10, 2019, 02:53 PM
Balzé Halzéquote:
Originally posted by chellim1:
quote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Doesn't surprise me in the very least. Trump is not a war hawk. If y'all haven't noticed, he has been trying to pull our troops out of these perpetual shitholes and has been trying to avoid going to war over every little thing. Bolton on the other hand wants to go to war with just about everyone. I bet Trump was just finally sick of Bolton constantly whispering "war, war, war" into his ear at every single opportunity. Bolton is s neo-con after all, and Trump most certainly is not.
Yep.
Bolton is a smart, well-informed guy about a lot of things, but not a good fit for Trump.
I should add that I do like Bolton, but like you said, he and Trump likely bump heads a lot. That's actually probably why Trump initially chose him in order to have a strong opposing view, you know, to get all sides. But maybe Bolton in the end was just too much of an opposing view. Maybe.
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HayesGreenerBolton crossed a line somewhere along the way
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September 10, 2019, 03:36 PM
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September 10, 2019, 07:20 PM
PASigIt sounds like Bolton had an argument with President Trump over this Taliban thing.
Bolton didn’t want to go along with it, so he’s out.
We’ve been in that hellhole Afghanistan for 18 friggin’ years now, it’s time to cut our losses and get the fuck out.
September 10, 2019, 08:05 PM
justjoeBolton is a super hawk. Bomb, bomb, war, war. I'm very glad Trump has shown him the door.
I hope somebody hands him an M4 on the way out and points him toward the mountains of Afghanistan. Go get 'em, John!
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September 10, 2019, 08:06 PM
P220 Smudgequote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
quote:
Originally posted by chellim1:
quote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Doesn't surprise me in the very least. Trump is not a war hawk. If y'all haven't noticed, he has been trying to pull our troops out of these perpetual shitholes and has been trying to avoid going to war over every little thing. Bolton on the other hand wants to go to war with just about everyone. I bet Trump was just finally sick of Bolton constantly whispering "war, war, war" into his ear at every single opportunity. Bolton is s neo-con after all, and Trump most certainly is not.
Yep.
Bolton is a smart, well-informed guy about a lot of things, but not a good fit for Trump.
I should add that I do like Bolton, but like you said, he and Trump likely bump heads a lot. That's actually probably why Trump initially chose him in order to have a strong opposing view, you know, to get all sides. But maybe Bolton in the end was just too much of an opposing view. Maybe.
This is all kinda my thinking on the thing. I think Trump likes having varied input, which is wise. I can't count how many times I've heard the MAGA faithful publicly query "why John Bolton? The guy wants us at war with just about everyone." Shit, I've wondered myself. My best guess so far is that Trump wanted a voice that wasn't simply repeating what was in his head; which again, is wise, and John Bolton got sick of feeling like he was barking up the wrong tree and tried to maybe make some things happen on the back channels, which maybe isn't so smart. I know, speculating and all that.
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September 10, 2019, 09:07 PM
Veeperquote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Doesn't surprise me in the very least. Trump is not a war hawk. If y'all haven't noticed, he has been trying to pull our troops out of these perpetual shitholes and has been trying to avoid going to war over every little thing. Bolton on the other hand wants to go to war with just about everyone. I bet Trump was just finally sick of Bolton constantly whispering "war, war, war" into his ear at every single opportunity. Bolton is s neo-con after all, and Trump most certainly is not.
So much this.
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12131In case anyone wonder, Dan Bishop has been declared winner tonight in NC's 9th District.
Q
September 10, 2019, 10:00 PM
flashguyquote:
Originally posted by 12131:
In case anyone wonder, Dan Bishop has been declared winner tonight in NC's 9th District.
O. K. Are you pleased? (I'm not up to speed on NC politics.)
flashguy
Texan by choice, not accident of birth September 10, 2019, 10:02 PM
Bigboreshooterquote:
Originally posted by flashguy:
quote:
Originally posted by 12131:
In case anyone wonder, Dan Bishop has been declared winner tonight in NC's 9th District.
O. K. Are you pleased? (I'm not up to speed on NC politics.)
flashguy
"Dan Bishop was down 17 points 3 weeks ago.
He then asked me for help, we changed his strategy together, and he ran a great race. Big Rally last night. Now it looks like he is going to win. @CNN &@MSNBC are moving their big studio equipment and talent out. Stay tuned!" : President Trump
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September 10, 2019, 10:12 PM
flashguyYeah, I just now heard on Fox News that he was the Republican, so I guess you're happy.
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