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Originally posted by slosig:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
I don't let people scan my identification but not for the reason stated by your encounteree.

Scan as scan into a computer? Or scan like read a magnetic strip? How ‘bout photocopying?
I’d guess you have a good reason. Care to share?

How 'bout cuz dey got no fuckin' bizness doin'it?

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:

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Originally posted by walker77:

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
What am I missing. what's sovereign state secession truthers have to do with this?

+1

Just because the guy is nuts doesnt mean he is a sovereign citizen type.

Probably paranoid because he had a warrant.

Tellya what... suggest a thread title that makes more sense and isn't a half a paragraph and I'll edit it to make you two happy.

Ran into nutcase at the doctor's this morning. There, even shorter.

I supposed that widens the turf rather than narrowing it.

I guess I'm not communicating it well, but he rattled off the spiel the same way the sovereign citizen whack-a-doo's do, with the same attitude and conviction of a prepared "gotcha" speech.


Whatever.

^^^ I know exactly what you meant, reading your post. Just ribbing you.

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Originally posted by 12131:
^^^ I know exactly what you meant, reading your post. Just ribbing you.

Cheers, Q.

I had an older patient try to sign me up for "Constitution Rangers" a couple decades past. He was dead serious, produced their 'document of ' whatever title it was describing their intent.

I read thru it, full of conflicting harangue and confused misspellings along with a stunning lack of reality.

Wearing a mask in a clinic waiting room seems prudent. Ther's a lot of uvulitis going around.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
Blonde, blue-eyed white trailer trash, both of them. Neck tattoos on the female. Shitty clothes. I'm used to seeing Asians wearing those masks, but they don't nervously crease all the open gaps against their face like they're keeping out the plague.

Lol. When I was at the doctor I wore one, I had a cough. At first I had it on wrong, so every time I exhaled my glasses fogged up. I had to fidget with the mask, tighten it up around the nose area, so my glasses would unfog. Yeah I'm a dork.

Anyway, from the sound of it, those were some creepy folks. When people make your spidey sense tingle..... it's never good.

Sovereign citizen types are always in a hurry. Gotta get to the glass shop and get a new driver’s side window installed before it rains.

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Originally posted by RichardC:
Wearing a mask in a clinic waiting room seems prudent. Ther's a lot of uvulitis going around.

No shih tzu. Then you would think they might have had their kid put one on. Guess they didn't care if she got sick.

Fwiw, I told them I was choking on my own throat, that was the diagnosis.

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When I was in the Navy, I came across some literature. In any case, I go to believe that my miliary ID wasn't suppose to be handed over to any non-military type.

So when I got asked by a civilian for my ID such as a bank teller, I would just hold it for their inspection but I wouldn't physically let go. And I know my behavior wasn't typical. But I was trying to conform to what I thought was right.

Different story: years later as a civilian, I was in line for a passport behind what turned out to be a navy guy. They had the expedited processes then of just a few days. They guy said his ship was deploying/starting a cruise tomorrow/soon and had to get his passport.

The woman was willing to accommodate him. But she asked where was his ship going. He said he can't tell her that as it was against the rules. And I do remember that from my Navy days something about ship or troop movement. But the lady said she can't help him if he doesn't tell her where his ship was going.

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You should have shown him the thread here on SIGforum.

I saw that.

I do think that the explanation behind this concern of it being illegal to copy IDs originates from this Federal Law:

A lot of military members, their families and Defense Department employees don’t know this, but photocopying any U.S. government identification is a violation of Title 18, US Code Part I, Chapter 33, Section 701.

The law reads, “Whoever manufactures, sells, or possesses any badge, identification card or other insignia of the design prescribed by the head of any department or agency of the United States for use by any officer or employee thereof, or any colorable imitation thereof, or photographs, prints, or in any other manner makes or executes any engraving, photograph, print, or impression in the likeness of any such badge, identification card, or other insignia, or any colorable imitation thereof, except as authorized under regulations made pursuant to law, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.”

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"This law does NOT apply to medical establishments like hospitals and doctor’s offices who are allowed to make a copy for filing insurance claims. It also doesn’t apply to other government agencies that are using the copied ID to perform official government business."

Reference

P.S. I'm working on getting back to you in email P220 Smudge

One of my doctors is part of a large local hospital. They are going to a hand scannner for ID.

To me, that’s a huge leap, and I’m not sure I’m comfortable with that.

From my google fu, the ID questions is a part of a federal effort to combat medical fraud.

Your ID is checked to be sure it's you as many folks have had ID information stolen, fake ID's created, then get medical help under someone else's ID and then the unsuspecting person who's ID was stolen ends up with thousands of dollars of medical bills for procedures they didn't have.

Linky thing


Coming To A Doctor’s Office Near You: Photo ID Check

By Jenny Gold JULY 29, 2009

Elena Castro was finishing the paperwork to buy her first home when the bank called to warn her of a problem– nearly $10,000 in unpaid hospital bills on her credit report. The charges were for several ear, nose and throat procedures done at hospitals in her region.

But they weren’t for her. And, at the time, Castro was an insured medical student. The charges had been quietly festering for several years, the bank told her, eating away at her credit score.

“It was very, very upsetting and overwhelming. We were about to get married and buy our first home,” she remembers. Castro soon discovered that a thief had used her personal information to obtain medical care.

Armed with as little as a stolen name, Social Security number and date of birth, an imposter can walk into a doctor’s office or hospital and receive services billed to the victim or the insurance provider.

Although few statistics are available, the Federal Trade Commission reports that medical identity theft accounts for 1.3 percent to 3 percent of all identity theft crime — about 250,000 cases each year.

The FTC hopes to address a part of the problem with a new regulation called the “Red Flags Rule,” The rule would require physicians’ offices and hospitals, among other businesses, to create new protocols to spot the “red flags” of identity theft. These could include detecting fake or altered IDs, inconsistencies in a patient’s medical records or fraud alerts from consumer reporting agencies.

Doctors will not only be required to implement procedures such as checking a photo ID – that allow them to detect these warning signs effectively but also to spell out what they’ll do when they find something fishy. Physicians would likely plan to alert the victim and avoid sending out a bill for services.

But medical provider groups, including the American Medical Association, insist the rule is misguided.

Their reasoning, in part, comes down to the actual language of the law. The statute specifies that all “creditors” which are defined as businesses that regularly extend or renew credit are required to implement the new protocols. That includes auto dealers, lawyers, utility companies and, according to the FTC, any physician’s office or hospital that accepts insurance or allows a payment plan.

The AMA and nearly 100 other physicians groups argue in letters to the FTC that while doctors defer payment for services, they are not creditors. One of the letters says the rule imposes an “unjustified, unfunded mandate on physicians” and could have “serious adverse consequences” on patients’ access to health care.

Dr. Ardis Hoven, an AMA board member and infectious disease specialist in Lexington, Ky., believes the rules “add another degree of regulatory burden for physicians and patients to a system that’s already burdened with responsibilities.”

Although the AMA recognizes the problem of medical identity theft, Hoven said her worry is that the regulations could “severely impact” a doctor’s administrative work load. She is also concerned about the rule’s effect on patients: “In my practice, patients arrive acutely ill. The last thing I want is my patient to be detained at the check-in desk when they’re having acute medical problems.”

Although Elena Castro, now an emergency room doctor, was a victim herself, she worries that it will also make doctors’ practices more difficult. “It may be worth it if it prevents situations like mine, but we already do a ton of paperwork,” she says.

Betsy Broder, who oversees the FTC’s Red Flags program, says patients shouldn’t notice much of a difference at the doctor’s office. They might be asked to show a photo ID when they arrive, but most of the changes will affect doctors behind the scenes.

She also notes that the extent of the policies a physician would need to put in place depends on the risk of identity theft at each particular office. A small office with a regular patient base, for example, is less likely to confront an imposter than an office that receives many walk-ins.

The ‘red flag’ regulations, which were developed under the Fair and Accurate Credit Transactions Act of 2003, actually went into effect on November 1, 2008. Then it was set to take effect on August 1. But on July 29, the FTC announced that it will “delay enforcement of the Rule until Nov. 1.” The agency said this was “to give creditors and financial institutions more time to review this guidance and develop and implement written Identity Theft Prevention Programs.”

Once the rule is in effect, penalties will kick in. Creditors – including doctors or hospitals – could be slapped with a $3,500 fine for each “knowing violation” of the rule.

Broder says the FTC will monitor consumer complaints to look for any patterns of theft at a particular office to pursue investigations. But she adds that “at this early stage, we will be looking for good faith efforts at compliance.”

Pam Dixon, executive director of the World Privacy Forum, says “the health care sector is where the financial sector was 10 to 15 years ago.” As cost and incidence data emerged, officials in the financial sector realized they needed to take action. She believes the new protections are well worth the obligations the rule imposes.

“Ultimately it’s in the providers’ best interest to work on resolving this problem earlier than later,” she says, adding that aside from being one of the most expensive forms of identity theft, the medical variety also is one of the most difficult types to remedy because a victim’s medical records can be nearly impossible to clear.

Elena Castro’s fraudulent medical records under her social security number still remain in hospital files. And it’s taken her years to completely clear her credit report. “It was very frustrating and a waste of my time,” she says.

Theresa Fleming, another victim of medical identity theft in which a thief used her social security number to access emergency medical care, says she has called the hospital repeatedly to get her record expunged. “I felt so violated, it just feels so eerie,” she says. “After you get this, you get very leery about everything.”

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Originally posted by slosig:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
I don't let people scan my identification but not for the reason stated by your encounteree.

Scan as scan into a computer? Or scan like read a magnetic strip? How ‘bout photocopying?
I’d guess you have a good reason. Care to share?

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
I don't let people scan my identification but not for the reason stated by your encounteree.

If you're willing to share the reasons, I would appreciate it, and I don't mean that in a challenging manner. You're a pretty reasoned individual, and have more experience with the medical field than I do, at least what I've gleaned from your posts.

My wife's tax return got hijacked last year. Somehow the person got her PII and scored on money owed her by the USG. It has taken over a year of letters back and forth with various IRS offices, and she's still not certain she's clear of it and still hasn't gotten her refund.

Since then, I do not let my ID out of my control.

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To elaborate, her view is her ID, and mine, got hijacked by hack of our primary care's digital medical records system.

That's super fucked up, and I'm sorry to hear you guys are going through that.

Gives me pause, that's for sure.

It's often better to just leave the crazy in the box.

I just don’t get what people check for on id’s. None of the information is verifiable by them. They don’t even check if the id is authentic.

There may have been a time when id counterfeiting was rare and checking id served a purpose. But I’m not sure I see it now.

Okay, I don't usually slip in these kinds of posts but this time I will. Most people don't know when social security was passed Americans then, even in the depth of the Great Depression, objected to a federal I.D. and or a number. Our government assured the people they would never be required to show their number and by law any information regarding that number would never be required to show.
Yeah? So I was looking for a murderer. We had his girl friend but not him. I figured there was a good chance he'd skipped to St. louis. So, i go over to our federal building to Social Security, showing the nice lady my department I.D. and want to know where he might be working in St. Louis. No way! She explained that law that prohibited furnishing any thing about anyone's SS number! It seems our government then as now__well, that stipulation is only being followed by the Social Security division!
Your SS number has become what the Americans of that day suspected.
Most states do not allow copies of their state documents copied__like driver licenses. Well, even car dealers ask for it when you take a new car out to try. Its the number on your tax return!
You have a federal I.D. number.
Stay safe.
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