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Corgis Rock
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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
Does destroying the sites in Syria release hazardous chemicals into the environment? This is not a political question, just informational. I know that when the United States destroyed some of its stockpile of mustard gas it did so literally in the middle of the Pacific Ocean on an isolated atoll.


Reportedly this was taken into account and any release would be away from populated areas. Given the material, you'd expect that the sites would be isolated.
On the other hand I had a friend that was downwind from Khamisiyah when some of Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons were destroyed. He was messed up.



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A lot of boxes got checked off.

-Weapon systems need to be used, most components have shelf life.

-We need to make sure they work, that the people the maintain, and use them know how and have confidence in there function and see them work. Since the "forces" change over time, this needs to be done enough that all are exposed to the above.

-That top to bottom and bottom to top logistics are well wrung out.

-That we engage the "enemies" systems, tactics, operations and communications in "real events" to obtain intel and make changes to our own "game".

-That the people "paying attention" take notice.

-That those not taking notice, "pay attention".

And a few other things. (already mentioned a few times.)

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Why would Assad use chemical weapons on a small portion of his harmless Syrian civilian population instead of a whole lot of his freakin’ armed enemy? Just asking.
Especially as Trump had hinted a few days earlier that the U.S. may in fact be rid of the region in due course.






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They were probably family of the fighters. The same families that they got free passage for by trading prisoners for. Don't worry, they will ride off into the sunset, pumping little jihadis out in safety.
 
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She is Awesome - and she is a very welcome change from the previous Obama folks.

I haven't seen her apologize too much Big Grin

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Nikki Haley addressing the UN this morning>

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...l-weapons-again.html



Haley warns US is 'locked and loaded' if Syria uses chemical weapons again.
She is a good Embassador. Tells it like it is.


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The same families that they got free passage for by trading prisoners for.

And you know the fighters in question are ISIS....how?

It's every bit as likely that Assad figured Trump was getting the US out of Syria and that the US' allies were doing the same, so there was no more reason to show restraint. Syria's one big unhappy bag of different tribes, so gassing the innocent in the hopes of getting any fighters who might (or might not) be there would represent a potential two-fer according to the math we've seen Assad apply since the fighting in Syria began. Google "barrel bombs" if you think I'm kidding.

Then again, maybe you trusted that Putin and Kerry were telling the truth when they said that there were no more chemical weapons in Assad's armory and that it was therefore impossible for Assad to use chemical weapons ever again.
 
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^^^ Ah, yes. From the link you provided:

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Having previously promoted an Islamic state under Sharia law, since 2015, Jaysh al-Islam has called for the Syrian government to be replaced by a technocratic body that represents the diversity of the Syrian people.


Call me crazy, but that just doesn't sound like ISIS to me. Nor does it tie either the people or the fighters there to the ISIS convoy in any way.
 
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Perhaps someone can explain to me how, an area of what appears to be around the size of two maybe three city blocks, received 57 Tomahawk missiles and 19 JASSMs and still has parts of structures standing.

With 57 (+19) of these hits, starting at 00:20, how is it that there is anything left but a smoking smoldering hole?


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We need to make sure they work, that the people the maintain, and use them know how and have confidence in there function and see them work


that is so true. but sometimes little appreciated
 
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Call me crazy, but that just doesn't sound like ISIS to me. Nor does it tie either the people or the fighters there to the ISIS convoy in any way.


So right after we started targeting ISIL they switched from a sharia based caliphate, to the opposite. Hey I got a bridge for sale, little down and little a month and she's all yours!
 
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^^^ Ah, yes. From the link you provided:

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Having previously promoted an Islamic state under Sharia law, since 2015, Jaysh al-Islam has called for the Syrian government to be replaced by a technocratic body that represents the diversity of the Syrian people.


Call me crazy, but that just doesn't sound like ISIS to me. Nor does it tie either the people or the fighters there to the ISIS convoy in any way.



From the same article.... "As an example of the earlier sectarianism, in 2013 or earlier, Alloush in a speech suggested that "Sham" or Bilad al-Sham (the Levant or specifically Damascus) should be "cleansed of the filth" of the Shi'ites (whom he called "Rafida" = rejectionists) and Alawites (whom he called "Nusayris" or "Majous" = Zoroastrians, pre-Islamic Persians): "And I give you the news, oh unclean Rafida: Just as the Umayyads crushed your heads in the past, the people of Ghouta and Sham will crush them soon, they will make you taste a painful torment in this world, before God makes you taste it in the hereafter".[67]

He changed his tune a year later to make his jihadist band of fighters more palatable to the West. Assad's government is Alawite but the people who live within its territory are of all religious and ethnic backgrounds. Introduce yourself as a christian to any of the Islamist groups we are providing funding and arms to and see how long your head stays attached to your body.
 
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Perhaps someone can explain to me how, an area of what appears to be around the size of two maybe three city blocks, received 57 Tomahawk missiles and 19 JASSMs and still has parts of structures standing.

I've been looking for any post-strike overhead target imagery but haven't found any online yet. DOD did this after the strike on the airfield last year. If anybody finds any please post the link. Thanks.


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Perhaps someone can explain to me how, an area of what appears to be around the size of two maybe three city blocks, received 57 Tomahawk missiles and 19 JASSMs and still has parts of structures standing.

I've been looking for any post-strike overhead target imagery but haven't found any online yet. DOD did this after the strike on the airfield last year. If anybody finds any please post the link. Thanks.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/14...irstrikes/index.html
 
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Those swipeable pics in the article Rhino posted are pretty telling about the damage as you can see before and after.



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Why so many missiles?

In short, this shit is chess not checkers.

Targets probably had or were suspected of having underground bunkers.

Targets were potentially defended by advanced Russian SAM systems. How embarrassing for those systems to work and shoot down a handful of Tomahawks, when all you launched was a handful? So they likely decided to launch more than needed to account for potential attrition.

War / Combat is messy, expensive, and in-efficient. In an extended campaign, I can see a lower level of effort exerted, because you can always go bad the day afterwards to clean up targets that were missed, etc - but for these one offs where the world is watching, you don’t want to risk a limp ass strike to keep the civie bean counters happy.
 
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some sat pics and a video showing damage at Barzah R&D Ctr

http://www.breitbart.com/jerus...ter-u-s-led-strikes/
 
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From the video in the previous post there is a lat/long

The pic above is google map at that lat/long

This is Barzah R&D Ctr in Damascus, Syria

You can see the 3 buildings in the middle match to the video, but it appears the arrow in the video is pointing "mostly" south/southeast rather than north.

here is the video still capture rotated to roughly match google map pic

 
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after pic roughly aligned w google

 
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RHINO and SDY: Thanks for the links.


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