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just saw a video on facebook from a "tactical" guy demonstrating his preferred handgun grip. His non-dominant hand is up really high with the thumb mashed against the slide. I'm thinking his right hand/dominant thumb was also against the slide instead of just below the slide.

Is this really the preferred grip nowdays ? I was never taught that at any of the three schools I've been to...


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Yeah, pistol grip as high as you can is one of the developing styles made popular by competitive shooters like Bob Vogel.

Techniques evolve over time. Not too long ago, people were supporting their wrists or tea cupping the grip from underneath.

I ride both of my thumbs pretty high up, getting as much of my off-hand onto the frame, not just the grip panel, but still not as high up as some of the videos show.
 
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Does it bother the slide?


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Yeah, pistol grip as high as you can is one of the developing styles made popular by competitive shooters like Bob Vogel.


Someone posted a link to one of his videos here awhile back. I tried his grip style and I will say that for me it seems to work much better. Wound up having to order a more forward slide release for my Glock though because my thumb was preventing the side from locking back after the last round.
 
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Originally posted by SBrooks:
His non-dominant hand is up really high with the thumb mashed against the slide. I'm thinking his right hand/dominant thumb was also against the slide instead of just below the slide.

Without having seen the video you are referring to, it is hard to provide an accurate comment/explanation. Generally speaking the thumbs are not in contact with the slide.

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Is this really the preferred grip nowdays ? I was never taught that at any of the three schools I've been to...

Which schools have you attended?
How long ago?




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When I shoot using a 2-handed thumbs forward grip with a semi-auto, my left thumb is pointing forward alongside the frame under the slide and my right thumb is laid across the base of the thumb. I try not to let my thumbs touch anything, or at least exert any force to the gun, and rely on my palms and fingers to encircle the grip frame. I do try to get my right hand up as high as possible under the grip tang.

I found this picture on the interwebs that looks like how I grip the gun:



With thumbs any higher I'd worry about them potentially causing drag on the slide, maybe even enough to cause a malfunction.

However, I'm not high-speed/low-drag, LE, mil, instructor, etc., so take my post for what it's worth.



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We were taught the higher grip at a shooting academy I attended this May for a week.
It did NOT seem to affect the slide in any way or the function of the gun, However, running all guns this was does not seem to work.

Keeping you right thumb on top of the safety is tough as some safeties are quite high. Oh, you could put a different safety on the gun or sell your gun as the lead instructor insinuated.
Also, my auto has a factory laser grip on it. While using the higher grip, I was not able to get my grip safety to release. Yeah, I could take it to a gunsmith and have it worked on, or sell the gun as the lead instructor insinuated.

As far as shooting results with this grip, it really works well...if you gun will allow it.


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In the video, his thumbs were higher than picture posted. His demonstration showed him releasing lower part of hands and showing that thumbs were pressed against the slide.

Re: schools, first was carry class, from local store; second was 2 day defensive handgun at frontsite about 15 yrs ago; third was last year, armed guard class w/ traveling national trainer.


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Originally posted by 9mmepiphany:
Without having seen the video you are referring to, it is hard to provide an accurate comment/explanation. Generally speaking the thumbs are not in contact with the slide.


This is the Bob Vogel grip video I was referencing, not sure if it's the same as the OP is talking about.

http://preparedgunowners.com/2...-the-best-grip-ever/
 
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At 71 with aging eyes, I use a grip like the photo. I've come to use my thumbs as a kind of sight line. I may not hit the Bulls, but nothing could survive the thumb groupings. Smile
 
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Results beat anyone's version of right and wrong every time.


While it was the only time I did it, when I shot bullseye I shot with my strong hand thumb straight up in the air.


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Results beat anyone's version of right and wrong every time.


While it was the only time I did it, when I shot bullseye I shot with my strong hand thumb straight up in the air.


Hahaha, well that tops me! Like the old movie westerns where a man would lick his thumb & wipe the front site! Smile!
 
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His tips and tricks worked for me.



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Without having seen the video you are referring to, it is hard to provide an accurate comment/explanation. Generally speaking the thumbs are not in contact with the slide.


This is the Bob Vogel grip video I was referencing, not sure if it's the same as the OP is talking about.

If it is, Bob's thumbs aren't putting pressure on the slide




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Generally I shoot high thumb, riding the slide. The callus on my thumb and the wear on my slides prove it. Wink

But it doesn't make bad things happen like some doom and gloom folks with predict.


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At 71 with aging eyes, I use a grip like the photo. I've come to use my thumbs as a kind of sight line. I may not hit the Bulls, but nothing could survive the thumb groupings. Smile

Very nice. Ha !




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Generally I shoot high thumb, riding the slide. The callus on my thumb and the wear on my slides prove it. Wink

But it doesn't make bad things happen like some doom and gloom folks with predict.


Thanks - that is what I was wondering.


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A comment about grips.
Most of the photos here show guys whose hands are very large and who have very long fingers.
I have large hands but my fingers are not very long.
There is little point in me trying to do the kind of all encompassing wrap around hold, my hands simply are not large enough.

I have to work with the hands I have and the grip simply won't work for me.
 
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I've tried the Vogel grip, but it just doesn't work for me. My support hand ends up interfering with my trigger finger.

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A comment about grips.
Most of the photos here show guys whose hands are very large and who have very long fingers.
I have large hands but my fingers are not very long.
There is little point in me trying to do the kind of all encompassing wrap around hold, my hands simply are not large enough.

I have to work with the hands I have and the grip simply won't work for me.


FWIW, I have smallish hands, probably somewhere between a small and medium glove size. The grip in the picture I posted works well for me with my Beretta 92FS, and the Glock 23 I used to have.

But yeah, people have different hands, not just in terms of size but "architecture" (for lack of a better word). At the same time, if you haven't tried it how do you know it won't work for you?



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Handgun grip,

another take....

http://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/whats-wrong-grip/


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