I watched a video clip from NBC News. Reported that a school in Indiana has hardened doors, camera monitoring, a central alarm with panic fobs. The SD that monitors the school can actively track a person, and then deploy smoke to disorient a suspect.

I can hear the teachers now... it's too expensive...OK, use the tax from Pot sales and lotto proceeds.

I guess they would rather wring their hands and boo-whoo on TV ranting and raving about "gun control". How about making a secure facility, and then teach the students and teachers how to live with the secure facility.

I work in a secure building, I have for over 40 years. Security works, you just have to live with it.

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Originally posted by djinco:
I can hear the teachers now... it's too expensive...

Yeah, and just wait until the next time they want to negotiate a contract. I bet they demand the money be found somewhere.

Improved physical security with some cameras, all entrances locked, and an intercom...plus a few armed, trained staff (hired security, school resource officer and/or volunteer armed staff) would go a loooong way towards real security.

[OR] we can have Congress put some new words on some paper...

I have to go to high schools many times to interview kids as a part of my investigations all over the State of Texas and so far all I go to have it setup to where you can only get in a single door to speak to someone before actually gaining entry into the school after they verify your credentials.

I am sure there are schools with not many controls. I fully believe in hardening schools and letting teachers be armed after extensive training. Schools are a target because they are such a gun free zone.

I read an article today from the The New York Post and the author states that having cops at schools will only harm minorities as the cops will single them out and provide a classroom to jail mentality. This is what we are dealing with.

Ask any school child if he would prefer to have an armed Deputy at the school keeping him safe or not have anyone keeping him safe?

I know what the child's answer is. Because I have asked this question. Mothers sometimes don't see the benefit. Too many of them want schools to be a place of rainbows and unicorns.

I almost feel dirty bringing up the "T" word, but is it time to push terrorism as a reason to harden our school security? I mean if a single deranged student can get in and kill dozens, what about a small group of motivated ISIS inspired goons? Just look at the carnage Boko Haram is responsible for at schools and malls in Africa. We need to move off the point of preventing school shootings by students as that just invariably leads to gun control arguments vs schools as soft targets in general.

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Originally posted by EasyFire:
Ask any school child if he would prefer to have an armed Deputy at the school keeping him safe or not have anyone keeping him safe?

I know what the child's answer is. Because I have asked this question. Mothers sometimes don't see the benefit. Too many of them want schools to be a place of rainbows and unicorns.

We need more than just one armed Deputy.
In the Florida school shooting, it is being reported that the armed Deputy waited outside for additional officers to arrive.

We need Conservatives in teaching positions for many reasons.
One being Conservative teachers would be more willing to carry concealed and protect our kids.

Having negotiated 3 teachers contracts while serving on a school board, I know what the teachers priorities are.

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We need more than just one armed Deputy.
In the Florida school shooting, it is being reported that the armed Deputy waited outside for additional officers to arrive.
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Yeah....here's the story.

Wow. Not good.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018...ng-sheriff-says.html

It would be a huge improvement if our administration shared threat data with us. All we have now is RUMINT, and most of that comes from the kids.

Physical security is just a small part of securing schools. You can get past security, and that's proven daily at airports, prisons, and other secure buildings.

What you can't figure out ahead of time is who has a gun. I don't really care if you're trained or not. When a bad guy is spraying bullets down a hallway, I'll take anybody with a gun shooting back. Statistics show that time and time again these types tend to retreat when they encounter force.

Simply eliminate gun free zones. Let whomever can be legally armed be so. Teachers, other staff, parents, contractors. The same types who currently leave their firearms in their cars aren't going to start shooting students just because they're allowed to carry inside the building.

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Originally posted by patw:
I read an article today from the The New York Post and the author states that having cops at schools will only harm minorities as the cops will single them out and provide a classroom to jail mentality. This is what we are dealing with.

If the minority kids actually feel that way, they are probably doing things they know are wrong (or their parents do and pass the thoughts on to their kids).

flashguy

Our school tires locking the doors. It lasted three days. First problem was you couldn't get to the gym, or the music rooms, or the day care classrooms without going outside. Second problem, I kid you not, was the student aides that ran notes between classrooms. They lost their shortcuts and had to go to the front door. Oh dear. Last: students would see someone outside and politely open the door for them! As I said, it lasted 3 days.
Let's take the disproven "18 shootings in 2018." In 2014 there were around 140,000 schools in the United States. They are open 180 or more days a year. That means there was a 0.00000719% chance of a shooting happening at any school, on any one day.
I have no doubt schools will blow off security until something happens to them. Parkland is a good example. Why is the administration supporting the students making all the trips to D.C. And Tallahassee? Because they don't have to explain how the shooter just walked onto campus then just walked into the school. Worse, the school got no court order or police help n dealing with him. Does anyone believe the school will have security with one entrance? Metal detectors? Armed guards? The emphasis still seems to be "by improving overall education, getting kids more involved in their studies and strengthening school communities, said William Modzeleski, a high-ranking official in the U.S. Department of Education who handles school security." In short more counselors and getting kids to report things. the belief is often that a shooter will get a gun from his family or friends. Hence the demand to ban guns.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

Simply eliminate gun free zones. Let whomever can be legally armed be so. Teachers, other staff, parents, contractors.

Works for Utah.

teachers , like airline pilots are not "security " people,
let them do their job,

they are already way under appreciated and over worked / under paid, leave them alone.

Hire security ( that won't freeze up) maybe one for every 40 people on the school grounds, and then raise the taxes to pay for them .


or society could change how people treat each other, that would work too

Everyone's always known that hardening a school was the best option but no one's ever taken it seriously. This should have been done all across America after Columbine. Now the kids are gonna be sacrificed again and again until we get Democrat approved gun control. Then it'll happen all over again. The libs are never going to do what really works cause there's no agenda with it.

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Originally posted by bendable:
teachers , like airline pilots are not "security " people,
let them do their job,

they are already way under appreciated and over worked / under paid, leave them alone.

Hire security ( that won't freeze up) maybe one for every 40 people on the school grounds, and then raise the taxes to pay for them .


or society could change how people treat each other, that would work too

One security for each 40 people? That is 75 security for this school alone. It would be one thing if we could eliminate $8-10 million in waste at this school alone, but like all expenditures by government, ome man’s waste is another man’s lifeline.

Concealed carry will not eliminate shootings at schools 100%. If that is the requirement, there will be no solution. We can expect it to reduce the incidents in number, and in casualties where enthusiastically executed.

"Hardening schools" is not about arming all teachers (as the antis would have us believe is the objective), nor even ensuring an active defense, but deterrence, not presenting a free fire zone to potential assailants looking for unthreatening targets.

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Originally posted by djinco:

I work in a secure building, I have for over 40 years. Security works, you just have to live with it.

I also work in a secure building on a military base. You think I feel safe? We need to have the ability to respond to a threat. If someone wanted to get into a ‘secure’ building to hurt people, they will find a way.