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Originally posted by braillediver:

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Originally posted by ElToro:
it was the last thing he did on his own without girls around.

Being a kid was marvelous with none of the things that burden me now. Why not let them enjoy their youth and innocence?

When I went to scout camp in '91, we got to use Red Ryders and the targets were Rock Steady and Be-Bop, a few of the principal bad guys from the Ninja Turtles. The lady checking us in let us know the bull's eye was "somewhere around the belt area." It was. Me and the guys had a lot of laughs over who did the best at shooting the bad guys in the nuts. That kind of fun can't happen today. I wonder what watered-down, co-ed "fun" they do in place of that sort of thing nowadays.

But I bet it's best for the girls, whatever it is.

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
blending Scouts, ignoring gender, will likely demean meaningful gender distinctions; which in my view are God given

And in working with the Council here, I am convinced the motivation is money.

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This in my opinion is the ultimate goal of the groups behind this: to tear down every influence which encourages young men and young women to be moral, be leaders in doing good, and have faith in God. They have used money to manipulate the leadership of the BSA to do their bidding.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

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Originally posted by 1967Goat:
I don't see anything above that would limit this to boys and not girls, but apparently I am in the minority on this topic here.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but you are only quoting cherry picked items.

The BSA's stated purpose at its incorporation in 1910 was "to teach boys patriotism, courage, self-reliance, and kindred values."

Their Congressional charter is also specific:


It's also why there is a Girl Scouts program. The word 'Boy' was in the name of the group from it's founding up until yesterday.

BSA programs have been including girls since at least 1969.

This is 100% about getting more families involved and increasing membership. Membership has been down for a few years and some districts are actually in serious financial trouble.

This makes as much sense as to why my work place professional women in aviation meetings. “For diversity and inclusion”...

I’m confused by this move BSA

Best,
Your friendly neighbor hood Eagle Scout.

It's called the BOY Scouts, OK? If anyone in this thread is in search of clue, it's called the Goddamned BOY Scouts. Been called that for a century, for fuck's sake. Go ahead and change the name but that's a sham and everyone knows it. The BOY Scouts. Any questions?

They won't do it, of course, but if it were up to me, I'd shut down the whole damn thing. Freaking leftists are bound and determined to destroy our society and to take everything away from the young boys of this nation.

Each and every day in this country, the list of people who need to be hung up in trees grows substantially.

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Of all the reasons and justifications I've read and heard so far, here and elsewhere, none have included a benefit for the boys.

I too would love to hear this.

They benefit because the BSA will continue to exist. They will benefit because there will be more resources and more volunteers because more families will be involved.

There are packs, troops, and even districts that will cease to exist in the near future without a significant infusion of members.

I earned my Eagle about 20 years ago and was talking to my 1965 Eagle Scout dad today about this. He kept calling it "Scouts USA" instead of the "Scouts BSA" they chose. Why even use the BSA, some sort of whimsical throwback to the good ole days? As a father of a sensitive 6yr old boy and a crazy 4yr old girl, of which our daughter will most likely be a Navy SEAL and our son will most likely be the next Albert Einstein, I am torn by this.

My Boy Scouts experience was experienced in St. Louis going to S-F and doing the same things my father did. I have no idea what they do in Iowa. It won't be the same experience my dad and I shared together. My dad served as a scoutmaster for years and loved me doing the same things he did. He never had a daughter though. I don't know what the Girl Scouts do and we are too city for a decent 4H experience, which my niece does. From what I've seen they have a solid program.

As it stands now, I don't have a dog in the fight for a couple of years. I'm unhappy with the change; however, I appreciate that nothing I say is going to change it. Maybe our daughter will be the first female Eagle Scout Navy SEAL.

I can't believe we are even having this conversation.

It's like some futuristic joke, something out of Demolition man or such.


I am an Eagle Scout. This is stupid.

Also, is Boys State and Girls State just going to become State now? What say the American Legion?

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Originally posted by Dallas239:

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Of all the reasons and justifications I've read and heard so far, here and elsewhere, none have included a benefit for the boys.

I too would love to hear this.

They benefit because the BSA will continue to exist. They will benefit because there will be more resources and more volunteers because more families will be involved.

There are packs, troops, and even districts that will cease to exist in the near future without a significant infusion of members.

The BSA would exist without this mutation.

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Originally posted by Scuba Steve Sig:
I earned my Eagle about 20 years ago and was talking to my 1965 Eagle Scout dad today about this. He kept calling it "Scouts USA" instead of the "Scouts BSA" they chose. Why even use the BSA, some sort of whimsical throwback to the good ole days?

It was not lost on me that they decided to remove America from the name.

Scouts of America or Scouts USA would be better. I wish they had at least kept America in the name somehow.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

Each and every day in this country, the list of people who need to be hung up in trees grows substantially.

Yup.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
It's called the BOY Scouts, OK? If anyone in this thread is in search of clue, it's called the Goddamned BOY Scouts. Been called that for a century, for fuck's sake. Go ahead and change the name but that's a sham and everyone knows it. The BOY Scouts. Any questions?

They won't do it, of course, but if it were up to me, I'd shut down the whole damn thing. Freaking leftists are bound and determined to destroy our society and to take everything away from the young boys of this nation.

Each and every day in this country, the list of people who need to be hung up in trees grows substantially.

I agree 100% and America let this start slowly and now the pot is boiling. And it is not only this issue.

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
I have been a Scoutmaster, Asst Scoutmaster, Troop Committee Chair, District Order of Arrow Committee, Woodbadge, did a week at Philmont BSA High Adventure Camp. I am an Eagle Scout, as are my father, son, brother; and am currently serving as the Scout Committee Chair and Asst Webelos leader.

Maybe a good friend/neighbor put it best, a Silicon Valley computer nerd. He commented, re boys/girls, men/women, "The hardware is different, the software is different. God designed it that way for a purpose. They are to work together, in companionship, each contributing unique qualities, to raise families and to build communities.

Joint activities between boys and girls, young men and young women, is a wholesome and meaningful endeavor. But blending Scouts, ignorning gender, will likely demean meaningful gender distinctions; which in my view are God given, and in my view, necessary for wholesome societies. I think the related name change also suggests a continuing pattern that will further erode morals in society.

And in working with the Council here, I am convinced the motivation is money.

Exactly...we are constantly being force fed .....we are the same, no we are not....we compliment each other beautifully. There is nothing wrong with being different....

When the first girl comes up pregnant, I can see some poor Scout Master being sued for letting it happen.

If I was a SM, I'd quit today and urge all the boys to bail.

Let it become the scouts who're all girls and start up another organization for boys equal to the one time Boy Scouts. Don't roll over. Just leave if you're a boy or a SM. Let the girls have what remains...

Yes, the new organization will be attacked eventually. So when that occurs, no problem, disband and start over with a new name.

Yeah, it'll be pain, but better that than be shoved around by loony tune interlopers.

Another victory to those who's mission is to pussify our men.

At what point will The Kama Sutra become a merit badge?

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:

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Originally posted by Scuba Steve Sig:
I earned my Eagle about 20 years ago and was talking to my 1965 Eagle Scout dad today about this. He kept calling it "Scouts USA" instead of the "Scouts BSA" they chose. Why even use the BSA, some sort of whimsical throwback to the good ole days?

It was not lost on me that they decided to remove America from the name.

Scouts of America or Scouts USA would be better. I wish they had at least kept America in the name somehow.

America was not removed from anything. The organization is still Boy Scouts of America. Previously, the two largest scouting programs within the BSA were "Boy Scouts" and "Cub Scouts." Boy Scouts will now be known as "Scouts BSA." So if anything, they added America to the name.

While Boy Scouts is the largest program for older youth in the BSA, it is not the only one. Sea Scouts and Venturing make up probably a quarter of the older scouts and have been coed since at least the 60s. The leadership had always been coed. In fact, Cub Scout den leaders were originally all women.

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Originally posted by Dallas239:
While Boy Scouts is the largest program for older youth in the BSA, it is not the only one. Sea Scouts and Venturing make up probably a quarter of the older scouts and have been coed since at least the 60s. The leadership had always been coed. In fact, Cub Scout den leaders were originally all women.

Yes, this post was not about the other programs and whether they were co-ed or not, it's about fundamentally changing the mission of the Boy Scouts.

That is what is changing. Again, the mission of the Boy Scouts was:

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"to teach boys patriotism, courage, self-reliance, and kindred values."

Which was reflected in the charter they were granted from Congress:


I'm not sure why the other programs or the leadership being co-ed keeps being pushed as if this is not a major change to the Boy Scout program?

You can agree with the change without trying to make it sound like it's not really a change or no big deal. However, it is a fundamental change to the program - that's not really debatable.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

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Originally posted by Dallas239:
While Boy Scouts is the largest program for older youth in the BSA, it is not the only one. Sea Scouts and Venturing make up probably a quarter of the older scouts and have been coed since at least the 60s. The leadership had always been coed. In fact, Cub Scout den leaders were originally all women.

Yes, this post was not about the other programs and whether they were co-ed or not, it's about fundamentally changing the mission of the Boy Scouts.

That is what is changing. Again, the mission of the Boy Scouts was:

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"to teach boys patriotism, courage, self-reliance, and kindred values."

Which was reflected in the charter they were granted from Congress:


I'm not sure why the other programs or the leadership being co-ed keeps being pushed as if this is not a major change to the Boy Scout program?

You can agree with the change without trying to make it sound like it's not really a change or no big deal. However, it is a fundamental change to the program - that's not really debatable.

Again, that is the charter of Boy Scouts of America. Boy Scouts is merely one program from the Boy Scouts of America organization. If you believe this change violates the charter of Boy Scouts of America, then Boy Scouts of America has been violating it's charter for more than half a century.

Notably missing from the purpose you quoted is the word "only." The only restrictions on the BSA charter are not issuing stock or operating for profit. Also notable is that the BSA uses technology and techniques that did not exist in 1916.