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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
We endured some wild claims this year about the safety and competence of merchant marine crews. No US Navy ships were involved in this incident, as far as we now know.
Link Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | ||
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| Do No Harm, Do Know Harm |
Was just reading this. Big damn mess, hopefully the crew members have been picked up and just not reported. Knowing what one is talking about is widely admired but not strictly required here. Although sometimes distracting, there is often a certain entertainment value to this easy standard. -JALLEN "All I need is a WAR ON DRUGS reference and I got myself a police thread BINGO." -jljones | |||
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Festina Lente |
Waiting for Jimmy123 to chime in and explain how this could have possibly happened... NRA Life Member - "Fear God and Dreadnaught" | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
Another odd thing..... a Swiss container ship? Who knew? Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Drill Here, Drill Now |
The good news is that it's condensate, and the condensate I've been around in my 20 years in O&G has a lot of light ends so it burns easily and not much heavy ends left after burning. Hopefully, it's out to sea, no storms forecast, and no dumbass bureaucrats prevent lighting it off like they did at Valdez. BTW, I'm ICS 400 certified and was formerly the operations section head for my employer's emergency response team. Operations section head is responsible for deploying the day's tactics (e.g. burning the spill plume). Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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A Grateful American |
Jimminy123 Crickets. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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I've been super busy delivering yachts. Accidents still happen in the Merchant Marine, just like they do in commercial flight versus recreational flight. But, the frequency is pretty low, about 70 combined total maritime accidents (ship to ship collision, sinking, fire, grounding of one ship, one ship hitting a wall etc.) per year out of around 20,000 total merchant ships plying the waters 24/7. The STATISTICS are EXTREMELY LOW given the amount of Merchant Marine Ships operating 24/7/365 on a percentage of accidents per number of total ships. Not enough details to know HOW this happened. It is a very very sad thing for the crews of both ships. As fire on a ship is THE VERY WORST thing that can happen. And being burned alive, even if you're floating in the water (surrounded by the light oil) is a horrible horrible way to go. | |||
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Sound and Fury |
Was wondering if they could just set it on fire and what, if any, downsides that would have. Especially where there might be men in the water. "I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, wind-swept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace, a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity, and if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here." -- Ronald Reagan, Farewell Address, Jan. 11, 1989 Si vis pacem para bellum There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. Feeding Trolls Since 1995 | |||
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| Drill Here, Drill Now |
Obviously, an incident commander wouldn't set it on fire with men in the water. Once survivors are rescued, the downsides are: The upsides: Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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אַרְיֵה |
It took almost an hour and a half. But then again, he has been super busy delivering yachts. הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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I didn't bother looking at the time stamp, just noticed there were 3 additional posts after the first one asking if I was chiming in. That being said, yes. I have been around Florida in 50 circles lately. Saturday and Sunday I delivered a brand new 59' Flybridge MY from NE Florida to Fort Lauderdale, then took Monday/Tuesday off, then Wednesday a 68' Searay from Jupiter to lighthouse point on the ditch, then Thursday and Friday a new 90' MY from Key Largo to Marathon and then Marathon to Naples. Plus have a lot of management/maintenance stuff on yachts mixed in, have a full week of that plus have to drive from Ft. Laud to Naples and back to move the 90' MY 1/2 a mile to a different marina. A buddy/customer might fly me there and back on Thursday if the weather is nice so then it's about 20 minutes each way, instead of 5 hours driving round trip for an hours work (although pays a full day and all expenses). Weather has been crappy......cold/windy/rough and tiring. | |||
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His Royal Hiney |
I've been on a couple of West Pacs. I can understand mishaps near land and military ships doing evolutions close to each other but them are some big fucking oceans out there and ships got radar and what not. Was one ship brake checking another? "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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It's a very big ocean but most ships don't use a whole lot of it. There are various routes most freighters will all use to go from one Country to another, for various reasons (current, depth) etc. So it's also almost like the oceans all have highways (trade routes) that all of the freighters are using. So while on one of these routes, it's routine to see a decent amount of traffic. | |||
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I just assume these things are like 4 way intersections. Every asshole there thinks they have the right of way, and usually they’re wrong. | |||
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Happily Retired |
There is a bright side here. It wasn't a US Navy ship.  .....never marry a woman who is mean to your waitress. | |||
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| A Grateful American |
 "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Shorted to Atmosphere |
 . Bless his heart | |||
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| Festina Lente |
as we all know, this is what happens with poorly trained crew and incompetent captains. Probably didn't even have their third mates licenses, bother to simply follow STCW, or check their AIS. with the incredible experience I'm sure these merchant mariners each had, the explanation for this collision will certainly involve aliens, as any other option is impossible. Regardless, collisions and fire at sea are thankfully rare, and god help the crew of the tanker. NRA Life Member - "Fear God and Dreadnaught" | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
I was thinking maybe it could be fired ex-Navy captains or something. There are several out looking for new careers these days. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Needs a bigger boat |
Iranian, Bangladeshi, and Chinese crews? What could go wrong? Add in the Pakistanis and Liberians and you’d have the 5 worst maritime countries in the world. MOO means NO! Be the comet! | |||
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