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An economic collapse will bring it to a head.
The "Civil War" will basically be between those who want freedom and those who want equality.
Natural rights has lost its hold on Americans. Equality is about socialism.


That is exactly how I see it.


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Let's just fast forward and say this war comes and there's chaos, shooting and all the stuff that comes with it.

What are the markers that declare one is the victor? It seems to me that if the basis for this war is based on ideology, expoused by those on our own soil, how do you kill an idea and say that you're the winner?
 
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Dang. I just saw this and who started the thread and I thought this should be interesting reading and then a moment later reality stepped in.


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hope not - nothing good will come from it

read up on the blood baths that occurred along the border states of the Civil war in the 1860s

years of murders, attacks, reprisals, raids, pillaging, lawlessness, etc

certainly not a way to solve any ideological differences

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No.

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An economic collapse will bring it to a head.
The "Civil War" will basically be between those who want freedom and those who want equality.
Natural rights has lost its hold on Americans. Equality is about socialism.


That is exactly how I see it.


I'm all in favor of equality, at least the right kind, e.g. equality under the law and equality of opportunity.

Equality of results, no way, no how.




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certainly not a way to solve any ideological differences



see my signature line



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certainly not a way to solve any ideological differences



see my signature line


Yep. It's never a good idea to be the one that places the last straw...




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As for statistics, there are liars, there are damned liars, there are maternal fornicating liars, then come statistics...........


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I miss JALLEN. Frown



 
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America’s Cold Civil War

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In the Claremont Review of Books, we have described our current political scene as a cold civil war. A cold civil war is better than a hot civil war, but it is not a good situation for a country to be in. Underlying our cold civil war is the fact that America is torn increasingly between two rival constitutions, two cultures, two ways of life.


Like others have written, the communists want to abandon natural rights and equality of opportunity for more state control and equality of outcome.




 
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hope not - nothing good will come from it

read up on the blood baths that occurred along the border states of the Civil war in the 1860s

years of murders, attacks, reprisals, raids, pillaging, lawlessness, etc

certainly not a way to solve any ideological differences

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I think SIG 209 has a plausible picture. The “skirmishing” will go on for a while. How long we can’t tell.
Not quite all out civil war, but lots of the social justice warriors seeing how much “poking the bear” they can get away with. Left leadership working hard to encourage the same.
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I said years ago that much of what Obama did was poking the bear, hoping to provoke a civil war. Remember he claimed that Lincoln was his favorite President, and the First Civil War resulted in a vast increase in Federal power.

But now that their guy is no longer CNC, I can't see how they could hope to win an actual shooting war. Then again, self-delusion has always been a problem for the left.




The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People again must learn to work, instead of living on public assistance. ~ Cicero 55 BC

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Originally posted by Sig209:
hope not - nothing good will come from it

read up on the blood baths that occurred along the border states of the Civil war in the 1860s

years of murders, attacks, reprisals, raids, pillaging, lawlessness, etc

certainly not a way to solve any ideological differences

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I think SIG 209 has a plausible picture. The “skirmishing” will go on for a while. How long we can’t tell.
Not quite all out civil war, but lots of the social justice warriors seeing how much “poking the bear” they can get away with. Left leadership working hard to encourage the same.
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It seemed to be getting pretty close to widespread violence during the height of the BLM movement. I remember a point where people started yelling about taking it into white neighborhoods and then it suddenly waned quite a bit.


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We need to pick a "best of" thread and keep Jallen on the front page from now on. It was good to see his name again.




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Its impossible to predict at this point. But if the left gets their way with immigration and the welfare state its only a matter of time. I think it will start with local takeovers after voting fraud, maybe people will stop paying their taxes. If gun owners (the American populous) is successfully disarmed or becomes completely complacent then we will look like France for a while then a mix of eastern europe, middle east, africa, and mexico and asia. Just a giant melting pot alright, a melting pot of humanities worst. Courtesy your Federal Government dems and reps alike. **edit (I am in no way for anarchy or violence, however there is a line government can cross where violent takeover or defense is necessary. For any one who would scoff at this notion, the Nazi party would be an extreme example.)
 
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Its impossible to predict at this point. But if the left gets their way with immigration and the welfare state its only a matter of time.

Yes. We are behind France in both categories but headed in that direction. What is going on in France is the reaction to socialism combined with open borders or unlimited immigration.


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It seemed to be getting pretty close to widespread violence during the height of the BLM movement. I remember a point where people started yelling about taking it into white neighborhoods and then it suddenly waned quite a bit.

Someone pointed out to them the disparity of force issues.




The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People again must learn to work, instead of living on public assistance. ~ Cicero 55 BC

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It seemed to be getting pretty close to widespread violence during the height of the BLM movement. I remember a point where people started yelling about taking it into white neighborhoods and then it suddenly waned quite a bit.

Someone pointed out to them the disparity of force issues.
Yeah, the castle doctrine in some states can be a bitch to would be invaders.
 
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By all means let's allow politicians and SJWs to disarm us.



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