Not true at all.
No, Ownship is federal.
No, the federal government has responsibility and jurisdiction for federal land.
Cheap "mental" towers that prevent forest fires?
If you take the time to read that article, you'll find that the LAO report, on which the article is based, states the opposite of what you think it says.
The LAO report specifically observes that while ownship parties are responsible for their respective land, fire does not know jurisdictional boundaries. This is why a fire that begins on private land may wind up on state or federal land, and become the problem of different ownship.
“While forest management responsibilities typically align with ownership, natural processes—such as forest fires, water runoff, and wildlife habitats—do not observe those jurisdictional boundaries. As such, federal and state agencies have developed certain arrangements to collaborate on management activities across California’s forests. For example, federal law has a provision—known as the “Good Neighbor Authority”—that allows states to fund and implement forest health projects on federally owned land. As discussed later, the federal government also funds a number of grant programs to encourage collaborative projects on both federal and nonfederal forestlands. Additionally, federal and state agencies have established agreements for collaborative fire suppression efforts across jurisdictions when fires do occur.”
Basically the article says what I said it does.
As for the rest of your comments - as usual you don't provide any evidence to the contrary.
You don't understand your own reference, clearly didn't read it well, and want "evidence" that a state is responsible for state-owned lands, and the federal government is responsible for federal owned lands?
guppy - we've both gone round before and you don't seem to have any ability to recognize any information other than what you believe. From past experience and observation on this forum I've learned that attempting a civil discussion with you is pointless.
Anyway, Tac you have information and my recommendations and I'll certainly respond to your response or questions.
We live next to the largest state forest in Florida and are surrounded by large tracts of privately owned forest. Our own 100 acre tree farm is miniscule but a piece of the puzzle. Our trees are longleaf pine. When the wind and humidity is right, there is a prescribed burn on a tract here somewhere almost every day. Forestry, Wildlife biologists, and USDA prescribes burns every 2 years. (That is also critical to Bobwhite Quail and Turkey populations.) Even though we get up to 80 inches of rain per year, we have dry periods with low humidity, and if it were not for those prescribed burns this area would be a ticking bomb.
Perhaps it is more complex than I can understand, but I would think regular prescribed burning on the west coast would be preferable to fighting these massive wildfires. Other than EPA and tree hugger objections, what are the barriers to prescribed burning out there?
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Thank you for the clarification.
I withdraw my post.
Every State has trees, forests and Federal Land. Why are the fires so bad in Cal, Oregon and Wa State?
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We see your news, but we can also see the other news channels, as you suggest. The BBC reports what it sees.
I have friends who are veteran brothers and sisters who have set up two camps to feed the firefighters and first responders. I know one is in Estacada and the other I think is around Sublimity.
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Variety of factors, most of which are either human inconvenience or, environmental concern. It's not unusual for a planned burn or, in the process of yet, a home owners association, influential property owner, animal rights group, major holiday weekend, etc pitches a fit and the county halts the action. Lots of NIMBY activity with this one. Increasingly, wealthy leftists are combining their fortunes to purchase large tracts of land creating land trusts. Private property that's been purchased for the express purpose to halt any changes or ownership they deem offensive. There's a lot of private property owners who aren't doing what they should be doing or dithering about managing the accumulated fuel on their property.
On the environmental front, its in wide agreement in the West, the ecology functions when there's periodic burns, the hang-up is layers of environmental regulatory agencies that get to review the activity and 'concerned citizens' start to weigh-in: the CA Air Board declares Its a Spare the Air day, the AQI is too high, there's a migration happening, a review by a different agency goes past the safety window, etc...
Basic weather also plays a roll which can shut available windows to do a burn: too much wind, wind blowing in the wrong direction, not enough humidity...This message has been edited. Last edited by: corsair,
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Same type of picture you could have taken here on the front range of Colorado due to our Cameron Peak fire last week. The smoke/smell was horrid. Ash on everything outside. We had 12 plus inches of snow on it, and they still only list it as 4% contained. Prayers to all who are impacted by this fire beast. It can't rain or snow enough soon enough to squash this menace.
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Prescribed fire helps manage wildland to some degree. It does not prevent wildfire.
Prescribed fire that gets away is a lawsuit. A really, really big lawsuit.
He clarified nothing. His comments were the exact opposite of truth, and are completely inaccurate.
When he states that states are responsible for federal lands, he is exactly wrong, and the article he provides states the opposite of what he thinks he read. The article provides that states are NOT responsible for federal land, and that ownship is the responsibility of the owner.
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Tac, it wasn't my intent to have you withdraw your post and after re-reading mine I believe I came across with a lot more bite in my remarks than were warranted. I apologize for that.
I hope you do continue to post questions and comments as they come to you. A different perspective can help achieved a better balance.
There are arsonists during every large fire. Arsonists who are homeless, looking for some jail time with food and a roof. Arsonists taking advantage of the distraction to kill someone, a murder totally unrelated to the fire. Arsonists looking to rake in some insurance money, who figure the fire will cover their tracks. Arsonists who crave the excitement, or who want to be important, the man who made everyone jump. Arsonists who were just burning garbage; just shooting steel; just announcing their baby's gender; who dragged chains on their trailer hookup; who had a hot brake; who lit fireworks; who didn't put out a camp fire; who burned toilet paper instead of burying it; who looted homes and burned them to hide the fact.
For whatever their motives, they worsen the situation, siphon away valuable resources that could be focusing on the emergency at hand, doing their job. Instead, law enforcement and fire are stretched thin dealing with the interlopers.
Not unlike militia mall ninja fucks that stop cars at gunpoint and spread idiotic conspiracy bullshit and panic and rumors about antifa arsonists...further tying up resources, clogging 911 lines, and forcing personnel to divert their attention when they could be focusing at the emergency at hand.
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People are getting pissed now. Some lady in Oregon caught a guy walking around with matches in his hand. Nothing else. No smokes or anything. Pulls a gun and makes him lay there until the cops arrive.
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^^ you failed to mention that the "guy walking around" was ON HER PROPERTY.
that's a very important detail.
Yep, a very big deal. I know I walk around with matches all the time on other peoples property that have fires burning all around them.
Extremely important detail. A friend in my hometown posted a video talking about her husband catching a kid lighting their hay bales on fire. He was grabbing gear at their place having been working a dozer up in the Scotts Mills/Abiqua Hills area making a fire line...since the official fire line was made to leave Silverton, Mt Angel, and half the valley behind it. I'm in some of the local forums there. PLENTY of first hand accounts from people catching these asshole terrorists in the act.
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