December 05, 2017, 07:26 PM
stickman428FBI poll.
I used to think VERy highly of the FBI. In my mind they were the premiere law enforcement and investigative agency out there. Over the past few years I have seen my respect and trust in the agency erode completely. I have zero faith in the FBI to handle a high profile case with honesty and integrity. I don't even trust them that much with low profile cases and I'm not sure if I ever will.With regards to the FBI which statement below best describes your opinion of the agency.the FBI is the premiere law enforcement/ investigative agencyFBI has some problems but they will get sorted outI have completely lost faith and trust in the FBIThe agency should be disbanded and elements rolled into a new agency or other agencies
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The price of liberty and even of common humanity is eternal vigilance
December 05, 2017, 07:29 PM
Lord VaalicThere's another choice....
I have zero faith in the leadership of the FBI and it's political appointments
Don't weep for the stupid, or you will be crying all day December 05, 2017, 07:35 PM
Black92LXquote:
Originally posted by Lord Vaalic:
There's another choice....
I have zero faith in the leadership of the FBI and it's political appointments
THIS 100%
Much like many Police Departments the upper echelon is the problem the rank and file are solid folks!!
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The world's not perfect, but it's not that bad.
If we got each other, and that's all we have.
I will be your brother, and I'll hold your hand.
You should know I'll be there for you!
December 05, 2017, 07:37 PM
Stray RoundLawyers and accountants with guns.
What could go wrong?
December 05, 2017, 07:49 PM
ArtieSI voted that I have completely lost faith in the FBI but if I could also vote to disband them I would.
"I vowed to myself to fight against evil more completely and more wholeheartedly than I ever did before. . . . That’s the only way to pay back part of that vast debt, to live up to and try to fulfill that tremendous obligation."
Alfred Hornik, Sunday, December 2, 1945 to his family, on his continuing duty to others for surviving WW II.
December 05, 2017, 07:50 PM
mbinkyDisband. No faith or confidence. Give their budget to the state and local guys. The good agents will easily find jobs there.
December 05, 2017, 08:03 PM
RogueJSKquote:
The agency should be disbanded and elements rolled into a new agency or other agencies
Funnily enough, there was more than a couple members here just a few years ago, at the height of the
"Obama's creating a private army of federal LEOs to shut down the lead smelters, confiscate our guns, and put us all in FEMA concentration camps" hysteria, who were repeatedly pounding the drum of:
"There's no need to have multiple federal LE agencies... They should just disband them and roll all their duties into the FBI."And yet here we are just a couple years later, with the complete opposite sentiment.
December 05, 2017, 08:04 PM
Sig2340The FBI has failed, along with ACID, BATFE, BLM, CBP, CIA, DEA, DIA, DOA, DOEd, DOEn, DOI, DOL, FWS, ICE, IRS, NCIS, NSA, OSHA, USEPA, USFS, USPP, USMS, USSS, and EIEIOmyfrickin'God the list is too damned long.
Every intelligence agency and every federal law enforcement agency (not to mention the other parts of the Executive, Judicial, and Legislative branches) failed in some way regarding their duty to unequivocally defend the Constitution, and to support the duly elected and sworn Chief Executive of the United States, President Donald Trump.
And they are unchallenged in their appalling misbehavior and face no consequences for it either.
I took fire earlier today for saying President Trump needed to fire every political appointee not appointed by him, every member of the Senior Executive Service, every political appointee from Bush (41), Clinton, Bush (43), and above all Obama who "burrowed into the GS ranks" (changed from a Schedule C appointee to a permanent GS position) and every flag officer in the military, in order to hand the reins of power to the permanent civil service employees and those untainted military personnel and their civilian counterparts in DoD. At the very least I fairly certain we'd see the end of the Obama Administration's influence in the fed.gov.
In response, I was compared to Stalin.
My response to my critics here is simple and straightforward:
DO YOU WANT THE SWAMP DRAINED OR NOT?
That would be swamp draining. Serious swamp draining. No one in the fed.gov would ever forget it.
If you want anything else, it's NIMBY thinking (i.e., shit can those guys but protect my own buddies) that perpetuates the problem we face today.
Nice is overrated
"It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government."
Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018
December 05, 2017, 08:07 PM
arlenThe FBI has been a tool of the head of the bureau since the 1950s. Hoover was power hungry and had the scoop on all leaders of our government.
The FBI is STILL a tool. That makes the department a very dangerous agency. It will never change. It has become our KGB.
Regards,
arlen
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December 05, 2017, 08:09 PM
TMatsAngry is the word for these recent revelations about the FBI, the Muller investigation, the Obama Justice Department. About the only news/opinion show I watch anymore is Tucker Carlson. He has just blown me away with the reports the last couple days about this Deputy Director (whose name I can’t spell) and his partisanship. Unbelievable
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despite them
December 05, 2017, 08:12 PM
12131This is a no brainer.
Q
December 05, 2017, 08:15 PM
Il CattivoAnother vote of no faith in the leadership.
December 05, 2017, 08:16 PM
nighthawkI trust no government agency, or personal at all.The magic kenyan has managed to politicize every agency, given them tools to spy on the citizens at will with no repercussions. When agency's screw up, and make mistakes, no one is held accountable or fired for their actions, they are just moved around and hidden till whatever blows over.
"Hold my beer.....Watch this".
December 05, 2017, 08:33 PM
Gutpile CharlieMy sister, my brother in law and a very close friend all worked for the FBI back in the sixties. All three confirm it was just a chickenshit outfit to work for.
"If you think everything's going to be alright, you don't understand the problem!"- Gutpile Charlie
"A man's got to know his limitations" - Harry Callahan
December 05, 2017, 08:34 PM
ulstermanquote:
Originally posted by Black92LX:
quote:
Originally posted by Lord Vaalic:
There's another choice....
I have zero faith in the leadership of the FBI and it's political appointments
THIS 100%
Much like many Police Departments the upper echelon is the problem the rank and file are solid folks!!
Yep
December 05, 2017, 08:35 PM
ulstermanquote:
Originally posted by Gutpile Charlie:
My sister, my brother in law and a very close friend all worked for the FBI back in the sixties. All three confirm it was just a chickenshit outfit to work for.
50 year old information?
December 05, 2017, 08:38 PM
Black92LXquote:
Originally posted by mbinky:
Disband. No faith or confidence. Give their budget to the state and local guys. The good agents will easily find jobs there.
Very unlikely you would see many if any go to local LEO. The pay cut would substantial. They'd be better off on the private sector.
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The world's not perfect, but it's not that bad.
If we got each other, and that's all we have.
I will be your brother, and I'll hold your hand.
You should know I'll be there for you!
December 05, 2017, 09:12 PM
Bulldog7972I know of three CPD Officers that went to the FBI and then came back. Were not happy at all while there. I know another that stuck it out, put in his time and retired. He is far more proud of his time in the CPD than he is of his time in the FBI.
December 05, 2017, 09:51 PM
urbanwarrior238I have handled several high profile cases. On some of them, the local FBI would call me up after seeing news clips of the case and offer assistance which I always took. They always came thru for me.
I think what we are experiencing is a management issue that will hopefully all work out.
They are a great law enforcement resource and have a lot to offer.
'I am the danger'...Hiesenberg
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December 05, 2017, 11:20 PM
Jimineerquote:
Originally posted by Sig2340:
The FBI has failed, along with ACID, BATFE, BLM, CBP, CIA, DEA, DIA, DOA, DOEd, DOEn, DOI, DOL, FWS, ICE, IRS, NCIS, NSA, OSHA, USEPA, USFS, USPP, USMS, USSS, and EIEIOmyfrickin'God the list is too damned long.
Every intelligence agency and every federal law enforcement agency (not to mention the other parts of the Executive, Judicial, and Legislative branches) failed in some way regarding their duty to unequivocally defend the Constitution, and to support the duly elected and sworn Chief Executive of the United States, President Donald Trump.
And they are unchallenged in their appalling misbehavior and face no consequences for it either.
I took fire earlier today for saying President Trump needed to fire every political appointee not appointed by him, every member of the Senior Executive Service, every political appointee from Bush (41), Clinton, Bush (43), and above all Obama who "burrowed into the GS ranks" (changed from a Schedule C appointee to a permanent GS position) and every flag officer in the military, in order to hand the reins of power to the permanent civil service employees and those untainted military personnel and their civilian counterparts in DoD. At the very least I fairly certain we'd see the end of the Obama Administration's influence in the fed.gov.
In response, I was compared to Stalin.
My response to my critics here is simple and straightforward:
DO YOU WANT THE SWAMP DRAINED OR NOT?
That would be swamp draining. Serious swamp draining. No one in the fed.gov would ever forget it.
If you want anything else, it's NIMBY thinking (i.e., shit can those guys but protect my own buddies) that perpetuates the problem we face today.
I’m with you on this. Drain the swamp with a vengeance.