https://www.foxnews.com/opinio...r-left-dems-at-polls

Amazon would have created more than 25,000 jobs in New York City with an average annual salary of over $150,000

that's 3.75 billion per year in salaries

The company said that within 15 years it could have employed as many as 40,000 workers in the city in 8 million square feet of office space. It would have invested over $2.5 billion in the Long Island City neighborhood in the borough of Queens.

On top of this, Amazon would have stimulated additional innovation and economic development in the New York region in coming years.

Amazon’s unparalleled level of investment and creation of infrastructure would have also benefitted restaurants, shops, real estate, and other businesses seeking to relocate near the new corporate campus.

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https://www.powerlineblog.com/...is-ocasio-cortez.php

Cortez:

"What’s great is that our economy, our local economy, is already growing. So I firmly believe that if we want to take that $3 billion dollars that we were willing to give to Amazon and invest it in our local community , we can do that. We can make those jobs. We can make 25,000 jobs. But we don’t have to give away and allow our subway system to crumble so that Amazon essentially owns a part of New York City. We can create 25,000 jobs with Mom-and-Pops; we can create 25,000 jobs with companies that are willing to come to the table, but we should not be giving away our infrastructure, our subway system, our schools, our teachers’ salaries, our firefighters’ budgets, to a company that has not shown good faith to New Yorkers."

This is almost unbelievably stupid.

Obviously, there is no “$3 billion dollars that we were willing to give to Amazon.” No one ever proposed to give money to Amazon.

Those were dollars that “we” hypothetically would have refrained from collecting from Amazon.

Those dollars do not exist.

They are not in the possession of New York State or any other public entity. They cannot be “invest[ed] in our local community.”

Online, dumbasses constantly point out how she knows what she’s doing, she has an economics degree...that’s more than trump has...

I have a dual major, one of the degrees is a bachelors in Econ...it’s the most useless thing ever and I got it by taking 3 extra classes. Econ is useless (other than for basic understanding) unless you’re at the doctorate level in my opinion.

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
Online, dumbasses constantly point out how she knows what she’s doing, she has an economics degree...that’s more than trump has...

According to his bio, Trump has a B.Sc. In Economics from Wharton School of UPENN. Two years there, first two years of college were at Fordham.

New York gets what they deserve. They vote for the Macarena's, Bloomburgs, and Cuomo's of the world in droves. This level of stupidity is rampant.

The worst part is that I think she is so delusional that she believes what she says to be true. That Mom and Pops are going to produce 25,000 jobs that will each pay $150,000 per year. In her mind this is likely true after she votes to make the minimum wage $40 per hour. When it doesn't work, she'll do just as she always does. Blame the left, and state that the reason her plan didn't work was due to NOT ENOUGH socialism. With socialism, gun control, or any other lefty issue, they just need a little more of it and it will work........

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
Online, dumbasses constantly point out how she knows what she’s doing, she has an economics degree...that’s more than trump has

Gee that's funny, unfortunately for them:

In 1964, Trump enrolled at Fordham University. After two years, he transferred to the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. While at Wharton, he worked at the family business, Elizabeth Trump & Son. He graduated in May 1968 with a BSc in economics.

It appears the left likes to indicate he wasn't at the top of his class, blah blah blah. But any information they have on his grades is way more information than they have on the previous president that, oh yea had all his records sealed.

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That Mom and Pops are going to produce 25,000 jobs that will each pay $150,000 per year.

Without looking it up, how many small businesses do you think exist in New York, and how many people do they employ?

I haven't researched the Amazon angle specifically, but I suspect they are responsible for more job loss than creation.

Each one of those 25,000 Amazon Employees would of supported 4 additional jobs in the local community.

Each of the 4 additional jobs would of supported 2 more additional jobs..............

I'm pretty sure it's called "Economics".

The local community won- Just keep telling yourself that.

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Originally posted by sdy:


This is almost unbelievably stupid.

You're not kidding. She's actually dumber than I originally gave her credit for.

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ach one of those 25,000 Amazon Employees would of supported 4 additional jobs in the local community.

Each of the 4 additional jobs would of supported 2 more additional jobs..............

I'm pretty sure it's called "Economics".

The local community won- Just keep telling yourself that.

You've got it all wrong. I'm confident the local economy would have won, while thousands of other local communities across the nation loose.

I have already stated that AOC is an idiot. That doesn't change the fact that I also believe that Amazon is as bad for this nation as she is. Possibly worse.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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ach one of those 25,000 Amazon Employees would of supported 4 additional jobs in the local community.

Each of the 4 additional jobs would of supported 2 more additional jobs..............

I'm pretty sure it's called "Economics".

The local community won- Just keep telling yourself that.

You've got it all wrong. I'm confident the local economy would have won, while thousands of other local communities across the nation loose.

I have already stated that AOC is an idiot. That doesn't change the fact that I also believe that Amazon is as bad for this nation as she is. Possibly worse.

So you don't believe in capitalism? Or market economies?

I kind of wonder about the real estate speculators who bought property near where Amazon was planning to build. Those guys probably want to put a contract on AOC's head.

Though I'm still not clear on who in NY state and local gov't. caused Amazon to pull the plug. AOC doesn't have any power in state and local gov't. wrt tax breaks, zoning, permitting, etc. She's just a loudmouth who can't keep away from a microphone. I would think Amazon execs would need more than a few insults to make them pull the plug.

And has anyone walked around AOC's district with a mic and camera to interview people and ask what they think of their new Congresswoman and if she's doing a good job for them?

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Originally posted by matai:

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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ach one of those 25,000 Amazon Employees would of supported 4 additional jobs in the local community.

Each of the 4 additional jobs would of supported 2 more additional jobs..............

I'm pretty sure it's called "Economics".

The local community won- Just keep telling yourself that.

You've got it all wrong. I'm confident the local economy would have won, while thousands of other local communities across the nation loose.

I have already stated that AOC is an idiot. That doesn't change the fact that I also believe that Amazon is as bad for this nation as she is. Possibly worse.

So you don't believe in capitalism? Or market economies?

Amazon is going to put all the local Wal-Marts out of business.

AOC actually may have gotten a career boost with the departure of Amazon. Once Amazon arrived, her electorate would be forever changed. With that change she would likely be lucky to secure a job waiting tables. Now, with an unchanged electorate, she just might secure multiple terms in office. I also believe she is incapable of even comprehending this.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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ach one of those 25,000 Amazon Employees would of supported 4 additional jobs in the local community.

Each of the 4 additional jobs would of supported 2 more additional jobs..............

I'm pretty sure it's called "Economics".

The local community won- Just keep telling yourself that.

You've got it all wrong. I'm confident the local economy would have won, while thousands of other local communities across the nation loose.

I have already stated that AOC is an idiot. That doesn't change the fact that I also believe that Amazon is as bad for this nation as she is. Possibly worse.

I think I tend to side with a1abdj on this. While I believe NY would have greatly benefitted from this, I am overall not a fan of Amazon and do believe that they have done considerable damage to small businesses. The fact that they've grown so much also hurts the big picture in my opinion. Having one company control so much of the nation's retail business is dangerous in my opinion.

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Originally posted by Rick Lee:
I kind of wonder about the real estate speculators who bought property near where Amazon was planning to build.

This!

I wonder the long term effects will be to the community? What happens to the over priced property that's no longer in demand?

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And has anyone walked around AOC's district with a mic and camera to interview people and ask what they think of their new Congresswoman and if she's doing a good job for them?

I've seen several "man on the street" interviews in her district. I'll just say this, a good chunk of them are just like her and support her.

To me, it's scary to see, but to them, she's the right person at the right time... sigh...

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Originally posted by Av8nShooter:
AOC actually may have gotten a career boost with the departure of Amazon. Once Amazon arrived, her electorate would be forever changed. With that change she would likely be lucky to secure a job waiting tables. Now, with an unchanged electorate, she just might secure multiple terms in office. I also believe she is incapable of even comprehending this.

Even if what you say is true, there is talk of redoing the map and eliminating her district. That's an easy way for the NY pols to rid themselves of her.

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Originally posted by matai:

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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ach one of those 25,000 Amazon Employees would of supported 4 additional jobs in the local community.

Each of the 4 additional jobs would of supported 2 more additional jobs..............

I'm pretty sure it's called "Economics".

The local community won- Just keep telling yourself that.

You've got it all wrong. I'm confident the local economy would have won, while thousands of other local communities across the nation loose.

I have already stated that AOC is an idiot. That doesn't change the fact that I also believe that Amazon is as bad for this nation as she is. Possibly worse.

So you don't believe in capitalism? Or market economies?

Amazon is all about cheaper and faster. It takes out layers of middlemen and saves boatloads on bricks and mortar, passing some of those savings onto the consumer. Maybe the business model is the Antichrist, destroying local jobs, but that ship has sailed. One could say much of the same about Walmart, but they aren’t likely going away either. The American consumer wants their “stuff” and by and large they want it as cheap as they can get it. If you can’t compete on price, you’d better find a niche or save time and just close the doors.

When I worked in high tech, we used to kill our own products with new, higher performing, lower cost replacements. Why? Because if we didn’t someone else would.

Killing Amazon’s NY HQ2 doesn’t change anything about Amazon killing small businesses, it just means NY won’t get the jobs. Don’t worry, they’ll go somewhere, just not NY. Besides, if Amazon didn’t crush local small businesses by driving the price below where they can compete, someone else would. The consumer demands it.

All I really know about Amazon is that living in a small, rural community 100 miles and two high mountain passes that are likely to be covered with snow six months of the year away from the closest place I could find many items I use regularly, it has been a tremendous boon to me. And that doesn’t even begin to address the things that would be difficult to impossible to find even in a large city.

Plus, of course, all that applies not only to Amazon. There are many other Internet sellers that I deal with on the same basis and for the same reasons. I just received 2000 rounds of 165 grain 40 S&W Blazer aluminum I ordered from SG Ammo. Anyone care to tell me where I could have found that at a reasonable price—or any price—in Denver? I try to support our local businesses as much as I can, but I cannot support them if they do not have what I need.

Whine about it all we want, but keeping Amazon from moving to New York will change the future of commerce as much as we can keep a boat from sinking by drilling holes in the hull to let the water out.

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So you don't believe in capitalism? Or market economies?

I believe in both of those things. That doesn't mean that they are always good for us. Sometimes capitalism and market economies hurt us. Amazon is one of those cases.

If I didn't believe in those things I would be calling for Amazon to be outlawed, and I'm not. It's still a free country and they can operate how they wish. Doesn't mean I have to like it or agree with it.

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Having one company control so much of the nation's retail business is dangerous in my opinion.

Not only do I agree with this, but it's not just the retail business of theirs that I believe to be dangerous.