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Originally posted by FN in MT:
I can care less if one wants to be gay, lesbian, whatever. I SO long for the days when they kept it to THEMSELVES.

A lady I love dearly said, a VERY long time ago, "I don't care what you do in the closet. Just keep it in the closet." Essentially, "it's your business, don't make it everyone else's."

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I'll bring the whisky

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I'll stop by the bakery and see if I can get a cake.

I'll bring the pisco. Also Colombian pan de bono and sweet fermented sausages.

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Originally posted by vthoky:

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Originally posted by FN in MT:
I can care less if one wants to be gay, lesbian, whatever. I SO long for the days when they kept it to THEMSELVES.

A lady I love dearly said, a VERY long time ago, "I don't care what you do in the closet. Just keep it in the closet." Essentially, "it's your business, don't make it everyone else's."

I think many people feel that way and with homosexual siblings I’m of that opinion. I really couldn’t care less but what irks me is when people want special privileges. And don’t even get me started on all the gender nonsense.

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Originally posted by jehzsa:
I'll bring the pisco. Also Colombian pan de bono and sweet fermented sausages.

I'm not sure why a gay cake thread is making you crave sausage...

I'm firmly in the camp of the bakery. Firmly.

If the lgbtoxyz mafia wants to get catered to, let them open their own businesses. Perfect opportunity and makes a statement.

Freedom of religion, freedom of expression, freedom of speech, and no one trumps the other.

I believe with all my heart that with arguably 3% of the population being gay - of all denominations - it's a losing proposition for them, so they go the strong arm way.

For this I revile them (activists).

Live and let live, everybody has the right to exist, but when you can't play well with others, all bets are off and you need to get knocked down a peg.

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Originally posted by wolfe 21:
Seems like a real PITA to avoid putting 2 grooms on a cake. Does anybody know what the couple actually asked for on the cake?

I feel the same way. You have a business to sell stuff, someone wants to by your stuff. Sell them your stuff. Unless they wanted two big hairy johnsons touching tips who cares.

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You have a business to sell stuff, someone wants to by your stuff. Sell them your stuff.

As a business owner, I disagree. I often "fire" customers who I can tell from the beginning are a pain in the ass.

I'm busy enough as it is. I'll sell to those I want to, and not sell to those who I don't wish to for whatever reason real or imagined.

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Originally posted by mbinky:

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Originally posted by jehzsa:
I'll bring the pisco. Also Colombian pan de bono and sweet fermented sausages.

I'm not sure why a gay cake thread is making you crave sausage...

Oh crap! I'll bring donuts then.

Oh, wait...

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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You have a business to sell stuff, someone wants to by your stuff. Sell them your stuff.

As a business owner, I disagree. I often "fire" customers who I can tell from the beginning are a pain in the ass.

I'm busy enough as it is. I'll sell to those I want to, and not sell to those who I don't wish to for whatever reason real or imagined.

Exactly, sometimes it’s easier to fire customers than to have to deal with them.

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Originally posted by mrvmax:

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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You have a business to sell stuff, someone wants to by your stuff. Sell them your stuff.

As a business owner, I disagree. I often "fire" customers who I can tell from the beginning are a pain in the ass.

I'm busy enough as it is. I'll sell to those I want to, and not sell to those who I don't wish to for whatever reason real or imagined.

Exactly, sometimes it’s easier to fire customers than to have to deal with them.

Problem customers who are hard to deal with are one thing. No one seems to know what kind of cake these two wanted. We dont know they were problem customers.

If a gay couple came in and prepaid cash for you to move a safe would you say no, just because you can?

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If a gay couple came in and prepaid cash for you to move a safe would you say no, just because you can?

No, because I personally don't care whether somebody is gay or not.

Now, let's say they pulled up in their Prius with a "I'm with her" bumper sticker. I may say no, and it has nothing to do with them being gay.

I don't understand why some people think that because you provide goods or services that you are now bound to supply them to anybody who wants them with zero regard for the person who's providing them. If I don't wish to conduct business with somebody, that's my prerogative.

And why isn't this a two way street? Why shouldn't gays be required to purchase cakes from bakers who disagree with gay marriage? It takes two to tango, but for some reason it's only one half of that group that is forced to dance.

Amen, it's a two way street. A business owner should be able to refuse service to anyone for any reason, just like a consumer can refuse to patronize any business for any reason.

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Originally posted by mbinky:

I'm not sure why a gay cake thread is making you crave sausage...

just laughed out loud....

this place is great!

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Originally posted by gpbst3:

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Originally posted by mrvmax:

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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You have a business to sell stuff, someone wants to by your stuff. Sell them your stuff.

As a business owner, I disagree. I often "fire" customers who I can tell from the beginning are a pain in the ass.

I'm busy enough as it is. I'll sell to those I want to, and not sell to those who I don't wish to for whatever reason real or imagined.

Exactly, sometimes it’s easier to fire customers than to have to deal with them.

Problem customers who are hard to deal with are one thing. No one seems to know what kind of cake these two wanted. We dont know they were problem customers.

If a gay couple came in and prepaid cash for you to move a safe would you say no, just because you can?

What kind of cake they wanted nor being problematic customers are relevant. It is his bakery, he can choose what cakes he wants to decorate and what cakes he does not. He owns the business, not you so why are you trying to tell him who he should decorate for? My guess is that most people that think the government should force him to decorate cakes for everyone and put anything they want on the cake has never owned a business before and really do not understand the principle here.

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Originally posted by gpbst3:
No one seems to know what kind of cake these two wanted.

It doesn't matter what kind of cake they wanted.

Sounds like they were grievance shopping.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

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Originally posted by gpbst3:
No one seems to know what kind of cake these two wanted.

It doesn't matter what kind of cake they wanted.

...for what ever it's worth, last week I had time to listen to a segment of Limbaugh reviewing the issue....

Unless I misunderstood his theory, there are 2 components to the bakery issue;

1) selling the product (cake) which the shop owner agreed to do;

2) contracting for designing/decorating the cake
(service)that conflicted with the owners perceived Rights;

Whether this assertion of product/service will be held legally true or not, it helps identify the issues to be resolved. I think.

The lawyers can perhaps clarify whether imposing the demand by one party for another party to labor against their personal religious convictions seems to be one of 'the right' to institute a type of slavery on demand just by walking into a bake shop.

I can't help but further confuse the issue than to ask how 'equal under the law' means some can be refused service while others can demand service just because they proclaim their right to be treated equally yet sue when they are refused such service. It's a logical paradox.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
You can read the transcript of oral arguments in this case at Link.

You can read the transcript of oral arguments in the link above, or listen to the audio here.

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Originally posted by wolfe 21:
Seems like a real PITA to avoid putting 2 grooms on a cake. Does anybody know what the couple actually asked for on the cake?

There's a lot more to it than that. They essentially asked the baker to participate in their wedding.

Wasn't it some time ago that a Wal Mart (IIRC) bakery refused to make a "Blue Lives Matter" cake for a local PD? They didn't run off to sue the far deeper pockets of Wal Mart (if that's who it was). They just found someone to do it for them and the public opinion took its role in dealing with the store. Which is how it should be.