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Fighting the good fight |
You mean if we defund the police (tactical teams), the need for them won't just disappear? | |||
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| Muzzle flash aficionado  |
I didn't see the Dep't of Education listed. I thought I read some years ago that they had bought a significant number of firearms. I can't imagine what they need them for. Actually, I can't imagine that we need that department. flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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Dept of Ed do have guns. Many years ago I had one get on my plane, per airline rules they have to give the crew paperwork, and announce themselves. She came up and said “I’s gots a gun.” Really made me feel confident. "Hold my beer.....Watch this". | |||
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| Cruising the Highway to Hell  |
Although they all don't have tactical teams, I can't think of a Federal agency that does not have an armed Law enforcement contingent these days. “Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.” ― Ronald Reagan Retired old fart | |||
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That would be their OIG. I can give you dozens of examples of fraud and various forms of criminal conduct that would involve Social Security - identity theft, beneficiary fraud, illegal aliens using fake numbers, credit card fraud, SSA beneficiaries who are wanted for various crimes from murder to drug running (Social Security assists the Marshals and other agencies when a beneficiary is involved and we can be helpful). I'm sure there must be some crimes that would involve the Dept of Education. But it's hard to think of many. Perhaps fraud on loans administered by the department. I would like to see how many arrests and prosecutions they are involved with. I'm guessing it can't be many, but I could be wrong of course. | |||
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| Fighting the good fight |
You didn't see them listed in this report on tactical teams because they don't have a tactical team. None of the several dozen federal Offices of Inspector General have tactical teams. But yes, Department of Education OIG Special Agents are law enforcement. They investigate crimes relating to stuff like fraudulent financial aid applications, student loan scams, embezzlement of education grant funds, fake college diploma mills, bribery of officials to obtain federal education funding, etc. And like all law enforcement, they are armed. Believe it or not, "white collar" criminals don't all go peacefully when someone shows up to arrest them. And not everyone involved in "white collar" crimes are the stereotypical fat, balding middle-aged guys sitting in an office behind a computer and bilking the system out of money... Many hardcore criminals involved in stuff like gang activity, drug trafficking, and the like also engage in "white collar" crime too. It's all about the money, however they can get it, whether's it's slinging dope, trafficking girls, or getting a fraudulent Social Security or student loan check in the mail. | |||
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| Live for today. Tomorrow will cost more  |
From the article, which is dated 9/16:
That's about 3 paragraphs in, and is as far as I read. If that's the slant of this article, I think I'll pass on reading the rest of it...  suaviter in modo, fortiter in re | |||
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Objectively Reasonable |
Bingo. A regular exchange at the Marshals when I'm there to process/book: Them: "Charges?" Us: "Bank fraud, Aggravated ID Theft, and Felon in Possession." Them: "Gun charge?" Us: "Yup." The good news is that often they already have BOP register numbers, so the cellblock deputy doesn't have to input ALL of the biographic info. | |||
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| If you see me running try to keep up  |
I want to save money? Nope, I want to see our country avoid the inevitable financial collapse we are charging full speed toward. I guess the govt is obligated to address every need regardless of where the funding comes from. I sure you run your household the same way, even when there's no money you keep spending. The fact is that if we keep spending like we have and never address the way our government runs none of this will matter. It really doesn't matter how many of these needs there are (and no I'm still not convinced they all need this) if we can't pay for it. There's no money, that's the bottom line, we have been paying with IOU's and it cannot be sustained. | |||
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| If you see me running try to keep up |
You mean if we just keep printing money it will all be ok since we need this? Maybe you can tell me how we are paying for all these things since nobody else can. Us Americans think we can have it all and the house of cards will never collapse. It just doesn’t work that way and stating that there’s a need but never stating how to pay for it doesn’t justify the need. Financial ruin is closer than you guys think. Live it up while you can, it’s not going to last. | |||
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| Sigforum K9 handler |
Pay now, pay later. You choose. | |||
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Web Clavin Extraordinaire |
Something tells me the money for these "tac teams" is a drop in the bucket of government spending, wasteful or otherwise. You could slash them all today and not make a dent in spending. You should probably look elsewhere if you want to curb spending and, frankly, short of literally shutting the entire government down, you're never going to stop the train. One doesn't make a dent in trillion dollar deficits by cutting a few millions here and there. ---------------------------- Chuck Norris put the laughter in "manslaughter" Educating the youth of America, one declension at a time. | |||
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| Objectively Reasonable |
If you eliminated, outright, the Federal government's civilian non-DoD workforce, every last body: You'd cut the DISCRETIONARY spending of the government by less than 7%. That's roughly how much the entire non-DoD Federal workforce costs out of the whole discretionary budget. The other 93% of discretionary spending would remain (OK, theoretically, because it might be a problem to send hundreds of billions of dollars of grants, loans, and guarantees flowing downstream without civil servants.) 100% of the "mandatory" spending would remain, which is a MUCH bigger slice of the fed.gov budget budget and includes such things as entitlement programs (Social Security and Medicare alone are almost 40% or TOTAL Federal spending) and debt servicing. I purposely leave DoD out of this equation because their civilian workforce is vast, and the military has become dependent on civilians to keep huge swaths of the military machine oiled and running. But if you axed them, too, you might save a few more percent on the discretionary side. My agency's total budget is $138M. We're one of the ones everyone is routinely shocked and outraged about, the "why do they NEED sworn agents... with GUNS???" crowd. The annual cost of all of our law enforcement "toys" like body armor, communication equipment, firearms, ammunition, keeping vehicles on the road, training facility costs, other training to maintain compliance with Attorney General's Guidelines under our empowering legislation, and the like, come to well under 0.5% of that. Measured by our FTEs("Full-time-equivalent" slots)sworn LEOs are also less than 30% of the agency's workforce. The rest are auditors, administrative staff, support employees, etc. Law enforcement in any of its "tactical" or other forms are an utterly insignificant part of the tax and debt burden on the citizenry. | |||
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| Fighting the good fight |
Further perspective: There are around 2,800,000 of these non-DoD federal employees. Out of those, around 5,000 are federal law enforcement officers on tactical teams.
Indeed. | |||
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I would assume most of those teams are additional/collateral duties for their members. Could be wrong but I doubt the NIH guys report to work like that hoping for a "call-out". | |||
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| Fighting the good fight |
True for the smaller agencies/teams, but a number of them are full-time tactical teams. | |||
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