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| Smarter than the average bear |
About a year ago I bought my son a Beretta A400 xcel as a combination birthday/graduation gift. I purchased it from a member here, it was shipped to my FFL, I filled out the 4473, and took possession. I then gave it to my son as a gift. In Louisiana, that's all there is to it, and it now legally belongs to my son. My son is now attending UC Berkeley- where he will be getting a Masters in Chem E (proud papa), and he would like to have the shotgun there to shoot skeet/sporting clays. The question is can I (on his behalf) ship this shotgun directly to my son in California? I know a person (non-licensee) may ship a firearm to himself in another state, and he may ship it to himself in care of another person, but it may only be opened by the owner. I don't see anything about another person doing the shipping, although there is no lawful reason I could not box it up and bring it to a carrier. Common sense would dictate it would be okay, but we all know that common sense has little to do with gun laws. So, am I okay in boxing up the shotgun, labeling it from my son at home address to my son at Berkeley address, and bringing it to a carrier for shipment? Anything particular to California to be concerned about? | ||
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Living my life my way |
If he is going to college will he have a secure place to store the shotgun? | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
I am under the impression that the carriers will only ship firearms from a private person to a gunsmith or FFL. Maybe you should ask on Calguns.com. I have to think Whackyland would require an FFL, 10 day DROS, and all the other formalities. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Hop head  |
in Va, you can legally ship a firearm to another individual instate, thru common carriers , I think you can do the same across state lines, (Know a few hunters that have mailed themselves rifles etc vs checking luggage) but I would want to make sure before you do, the Calguns idea is a good one, those folks are very helpful on the in's and out's of Ca law, I've used that site a time or 2 to ship FFL to FFL/C&R , if you do ship, USPS Priority is usually the best bet, be sure to insure, and you can generate the postage from home, no need to even walk in a post office, (they will pick up from your home or office as well, no extra charge) https://www.chesterfieldarmament.com/ | |||
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Get Off My Lawn |
Absolutely not. In CA, interstate transfer between family members require an FFL at the receiver end (not sure of the seller end due to outside state laws). 10 day waiting period applies, as well as the receiver possessing a Firearms Safety Certificate issued after taking a test). Also now all long guns are registered in the DoJ database. If your son lives on campus, I would assume that he will not be allowed to possess a firearm. And yes, CA gun laws are the worst in country. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
We need some more information to provide advice. Was your son a legal resident of Louisiana at the time you gave it to him as a gift? Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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Nosce te ipsum |
Same in PA. Intrastate only. I bought a shotgun from a Pittsburg resident years ago. He shipped it to my door via USPS. A member driving through may deliver it for you. But my first thought? At our skeet range an FFL is on the board. Shipping it to the range may be the best bet. A discount transfer for a member. | |||
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The Unmanned Writer |
If the boy has a place to safely stow the shotgun, it'll be less hassle for you to take a trip. Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. "If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers | |||
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| Smarter than the average bear |
Yes, my son was, and still is, a legal resident of Louisiana. He will only be in CA for less than a year. To answer some other things that were brought up: 1) This would not be transfer among family members. The shotgun already belongs to him. 2) He is not living on campus. He is in an apartment. He drove there from Houston where he was doing an engineering co-op over the summer. 3) He brought with him his P6, and he has a CA compliant lockable case to keep it in. We squared that away before he drove into the state. I don't know what CA wants for a shotgun, but I am aware that we need to know if it needs to be locked up too. I still need to find this out, but was hoping the rule might be different for a shotgun than a handgun. | |||
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| Get Off My Lawn |
My understanding is that Federal laws (18 USC 922) still requires an FFL at the receiving end, even if one "owns" the firearm, but is not in "possession" of it, another person has it. Another law, CA PC 27585 requires a resident to use an FFL for importing a firearm from outside CA. if he obtained it on or after Jan. 1, 2015. Multiple new gun laws are passed every single year in CA, it is hard to keep up with them all. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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quarter MOA visionary |
I'm thinking it is not worth the hassle and expense unless it is going to used a whole bunch. Maybe just rent a shotgun on the occasion he'll be using it. Just complying with any of the Draconian CA laws makes my skin crawl.  | |||
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| Smarter than the average bear |
There's a very nice club that he went to that rents guns, but it's 1 hour 40 min away. He found a skeet club about 20 minutes away, looking out over the water, but no rentals. He's only going to be there another three months at this point, but the weather is starting to get beautiful and he'd like to shoot now. | |||
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| Savor the limelight |
My understanding is it's legal for a person to ship firearms to themselves care of another person in a different state. I've shipped long guns to myself care of an uncle who lived in another state. I used the Post Office. Walked right in to the local Post Office, rifle in a box, and told whoever was behind the counter what I was shipping. The last time was 3 years ago and it cost about $20 including $800 of insurance. I would suggest your son do the same when he visits you next. Provided it's legal in California to do so. | |||
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| Member |
Would it be cheaper to buy a shotgun here - assuming he's not looking to break the bank? P229 | |||
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| Nosce te ipsum |
Isn't the face-to-face legal transfer of long arms 50 years or older still on the books in California? Another question for Calguns. | |||
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Casuistic Thinker and Daoist |
You're making the common error of confusing ownership and possession...Fed Law, not CA. You cannot transfer possession across state lines without going through an FFL That he left it with you transfers possession (to you)and you can't mail/send/ship it to him without going through an FFL. If he came home, he could then legally mail it to himself (back in CA)...no FFL involved...as he would if traveling to another state to hunt or compete No, Daoism isn't a religion | |||
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| You're going to feel a little pressure... |
I'd send him the cash to buy a shotgun in CA and let him sell it, when he leaves, or bring it home with him. Saving a few hundred dollars doesn't seem worth it. Bruce "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams “It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free." -Niccolo Machiavelli The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken | |||
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| Member |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I certainly understand. I never wanted to disappoint my kids. He might enjoy it even more if he waited a bit. Calguns is a great site as mentioned earlier. You live in the South for too long and it is easy to forget how crazy things are in other areas. I enjoy Berkeley but living there is quite another issue. Hope it works out for you. | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
10 days DROS on each end, FFL fees, travel to the FFL to buy, then pick up, then sell, then take the gun to the FFL, makes that saving illusory. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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| quarter MOA visionary |
Can't he bring it with him home then either keep it or sell it back home instead of Kommiefornia? | |||
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