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I am truly that sorry his wife got caught up in the mess but why should she make money off of his lies?


I seriously doubt that the book was selling copies and making her money simply because it had mention of this sorry sack of butt mud in it.
It's a very small, insignificant portion of the novel. I didn't even know about thst portion when I bought and read the novel.


Would you be okay if the lie was about you?

I have a real hard time believing that if someone wrote a bestselling book and said that he caught you in a bar shit-talking service members and that he punched you out for it you'd be totally cool with it and let him or his family continue selling the book with that lie in it.

Sorry fellas but Chris Kyle is a liar. He lied about shooting people from the Superdome, he lied about the gas station killings and he seems to have lied about this. It blows my mind that so many of you are okay with that.




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I am truly that sorry his wife got caught up in the mess but why should she make money off of his lies?


I seriously doubt that the book was selling copies and making her money simply because it had mention of this sorry sack of butt mud in it.
It's a very small, insignificant portion of the novel. I didn't even know about thst portion when I bought and read the novel.


Would you be okay if the lie was about you?

I have a real hard time believing that if someone wrote a bestselling book and said that he caught you in a bar shit-talking service members and that he punched you out for it you'd be totally cool with it and let him or his family continue selling the book with that lie in it.

Sorry fellas but Chris Kyle is a liar. He lied about shooting people from the Superdome, he lied about the gas station killings and he seems to have lied about this. It blows my mind that so many of you are okay with that.


I'm not even addressing the lying issue. I never said I was ok with it. If Ventura wants to clear his name, that's one thing. But claiming that Taya made money off of this lie is kinda ridiculous in my opinion. Who the heck cares about that clown anyway?


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I am truly that sorry his wife got caught up in the mess but why should she make money off of his lies?


I seriously doubt that the book was selling copies and making her money simply because it had mention of this sorry sack of butt mud in it.
It's a very small, insignificant portion of the novel. I didn't even know about thst portion when I bought and read the novel.


Would you be okay if the lie was about you?

I have a real hard time believing that if someone wrote a bestselling book and said that he caught you in a bar shit-talking service members and that he punched you out for it you'd be totally cool with it and let him or his family continue selling the book with that lie in it.

Sorry fellas but Chris Kyle is a liar. He lied about shooting people from the Superdome, he lied about the gas station killings and he seems to have lied about this. It blows my mind that so many of you are okay with that.


I'm not even addressing the lying issue. I never said I was ok with it. If Ventura wants to clear his name, that's one thing. But claiming that Taya made money off of this lie is kinda ridiculous in my opinion. Who the heck cares about that clown anyway?
I'm with Balze. It's ludicrous to claim a small, insignificant part of a novel is the reason it made money. I bought it because he was the most successful sniper in US Military history.

I'm not ok with the lie, but find the money/rich argument disingenuine.



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If it's so small and insignificant then why didn't they remove it when given the chance? Why even include it at all if it is so small and insignificant?

They had a chance to remove it and didn't. Thet had a chance to have the whole thing dropped even after he chose to make the story up in the first place.

I don't remember the movie so I can't give you the direct quote, but there was a movie about some family suing some big company and they were telling the lawyer that they didn't care about the money. The lawyer said something to the effect of "sometimes money is how you make people say they are sorry". That's not it exactly but the point he was making stands. They had the opportunity to say sorry by removing the story. They chose not to so I have little sympathy.




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The punchee is apparently anonymous when he appeared in the book. Later, when giving promotional interviews, Kyle identified him as Ventura. Also, that story allegedly became a focal point of many of those interviews. So there's at least an argument that the story sold books.




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The punchee is apparently anonymous when he appeared in the book. Later, when giving promotional interviews, Kyle identified him as Ventura. Also, that story allegedly became a focal point of many of those interviews. So there's at least an argument that the story sold books.
You haven't read the book, but you post in every thread about the book. Por que?



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If it's so small and insignificant then why didn't they remove it when given the chance? Why even include it at all if it is so small and insignificant?

They had a chance to remove it and didn't. Thet had a chance to have the whole thing dropped even after he chose to make the story up in the first place.

I don't remember the movie so I can't give you the direct quote, but there was a movie about some family suing some big company and they were telling the lawyer that they didn't care about the money. The lawyer said something to the effect of "sometimes money is how you make people say they are sorry". That's not it exactly but the point he was making stands. They had the opportunity to say sorry by removing the story. They chose not to so I have little sympathy.
Ventura is never named in the book. Have you even read it?



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The amount of blind hero worship is shocking.

I don't like Jesse Ventura but Chris Kyle's lies brought this on.

One small part in a book was bad enough, but then he repeated those things on TV and other forms of print.

Just because Chris Kyle died doesn't mean he gets a pass, nor does his estate.

And then there are all of the other lies he told...

So much for 'quiet professionals'.
 
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If it's so small and insignificant then why didn't they remove it when given the chance? Why even include it at all if it is so small and insignificant?

They had a chance to remove it and didn't. Thet had a chance to have the whole thing dropped even after he chose to make the story up in the first place.

I don't remember the movie so I can't give you the direct quote, but there was a movie about some family suing some big company and they were telling the lawyer that they didn't care about the money. The lawyer said something to the effect of "sometimes money is how you make people say they are sorry". That's not it exactly but the point he was making stands. They had the opportunity to say sorry by removing the story. They chose not to so I have little sympathy.
Ventura is never named in the book. Have you even read it?
I read it, before they deleted the part about Chris Kyle's "shootout" at the gas station. I thought it as funny, reading a more recent copy that it was gone...

But I did see Chris say it was Jesse on TV...
 
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I guess that asshat worked really hard to earn my award of the month. And it's so early in the month to boot.....




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The punchee is apparently anonymous when he appeared in the book. Later, when giving promotional interviews, Kyle identified him as Ventura. Also, that story allegedly became a focal point of many of those interviews. So there's at least an argument that the story sold books.
You haven't read the book, but you post in every thread about the book. Por que?
The section has been removed from the book. But you can find plenty of clips of Kyle discussing it. This thread seems to be about the lawsuit, not book reviews. Although I did like the movie.




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I am truly that sorry his wife got caught up in the mess but why should she make money off of his lies?


I seriously doubt that the book was selling copies and making her money simply because it had mention of this sorry sack of butt mud in it.
It's a very small, insignificant portion of the novel. I didn't even know about that portion when I bought and read the novel.


A novel is a work of fiction. Or is that your point?
 
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I am truly that sorry his wife got caught up in the mess but why should she make money off of his lies?


I seriously doubt that the book was selling copies and making her money simply because it had mention of this sorry sack of butt mud in it.
It's a very small, insignificant portion of the novel. I didn't even know about that portion when I bought and read the novel.


A novel is a work of fiction. Or is that your point?
No, my point was it was a small, insignificant portion of an autobiography that had no bearing on book sales. The book was a best seller because it was an autobiography of the deadliest sniper in US military history. Additionally, it was a best seller prior to Ventura being revealed as Mr. Scruff Face on a radio show.

Additionally, during the original trial in MN, U.S. District Judge told jurors they weren't charged with determining whether Ventura was punched, but rather whether he was defamed by the remarks Kyle attributed to him. Several SEALS and bar patron testified seeing at least some of the incident.



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Originally posted by Pale Horse:
I am truly that sorry his wife got caught up in the mess but why should she make money off of his lies?


I seriously doubt that the book was selling copies and making her money simply because it had mention of this sorry sack of butt mud in it.
It's a very small, insignificant portion of the novel. I didn't even know about that portion when I bought and read the novel.


A novel is a work of fiction. Or is that your point?
No, my point was it was a small, insignificant portion of an autobiography that had no bearing on book sales. The book was a best seller because it was an autobiography of the deadliest sniper in US military history. Additionally, it was a best seller prior to Ventura being revealed as Mr. Scruff Face on a radio show.

Additionally, during the original trial in MN, U.S. District Judge told jurors they weren't charged with determining whether Ventura was punched, but rather whether he was defamed by the remarks Kyle attributed to him. Several SEALS and bar patron testified seeing at least some of the incident.


To clarify some of that, most of the Seals recanted on their original stories, and the owner of the bar McP's came foward and said nothing like the incident Kyle described ever occured in his bar. He said the seal community is pretty tight knit and if this actually occured as Kyke claimed, everyone would have known about it, not just 2 or 3 other guys that claimed to have witnessed it. Its all bullshit, never happened, and anyone who says it did should have their Trident ripped off their chest- Don Shipley made a comment similar to that as well. Seals and UDT guys dont screw with eachother behind their backs. Kyle broke the faith, and for that he has to pay.



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But I have to agree that this was a battle Ventura probably shouldn't have chosen to fight. Even if he was slandered by Kyle (and there is some reason to think he was), he wasn't going to come out of this dispute ahead of the game.
And that right there was the only real point I was trying to make. If Ventura were at all honest, he'd simply come straight out and state its the money he's after, because his name and reputation when all of this is done won't be worth spit.


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But I have to agree that this was a battle Ventura probably shouldn't have chosen to fight. Even if he was slandered by Kyle (and there is some reason to think he was), he wasn't going to come out of this dispute ahead of the game.
And that right there was the only real point I was trying to make. If Ventura were at all honest, he'd simply come straight out and state its the money he's after, because his name and reputation when all of this is done won't be worth spit.


2 things:
The money awarded to Ventura never came from Chris Kykes estate or his family's pocket- the publishing insurance company has to pay, so Taya is not really a victim in this case at all.

Ventura offered to drop the suit after Chris died if Taya and the publishing company would agree to pull the story about the bar incident, Taya refused. I dont know about you, but that sounds to me like Taya and the publishing company care more about money than Ventura does.

Its a shitty situation all around, but in the end Ventura is doing what he feels is right, and Chris or Taya Kyle and their legal team had many chances to make this all go away as well.



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Here is the test: flip the story completely.

Say Kyle was not a liar and his book was full of 100% truth, minus the bar story. Then Ventura wrote a book about his life and write the exact same story except he sad it was Kyle talking shit and that he punched Chris Kyle. Would you say that Chris Kyle should just let it go?

The only reason Ventura looks like an asshole to some is because they can't let themselves admit that Chris Kyle isn't the man they want him to be. Ventura isn't doing anything wrong. He's sueing because Chris Kyle made up a story that absolutely makes Ventura look like a even bigger piece of shit than he is.

Don't want to get sued for lying? Don't lie. Seems super simple to me.




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Nobody knows who was lying, in reality or in the court. As Rob O'Neill said, "unless you were in the room, you don't know what happened."

Moreover, none of us knows what evidence was adduced at the trial, and cannot possibly decide the impact such evidence might have had on the jury. Apparently, the jury decided Ventura was defamed, requiring an inference that they concluded the event did not happen, or at least not as depicted.




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Nobody knows who was lying, in reality or in the court. As Rob O'Neill said, "unless you were in the room, you don't know what happened."

Moreover, none of us knows what evidence was adduced at the trial, and cannot possibly decide the impact such evidence might have had on the jury. Apparently, the jury decided Ventura was defamed, requiring an inference that they concluded the event did not happen, or at least not as depicted.
The interesting thing to me is that both sides agreed to less than majority verdict. Makes it even murkier.



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The interesting thing to me is that both sides agreed to less than majority verdict. Makes it even murkier.


What does that mean? A civil case can be decided with less than unanimity of the jurors, but it still takes more than a majority.




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