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Originally posted by Fenris:
I have CO detectors in multiple rooms and the garage, both independent battery powered and alarm panel monitored. You often don't get a second chance with these things.

Also, I am planning on getting monitored smokes and COs installed in the HVAC supply plenums, with the alarm panel set to shut down the HVACs if issues are detected. Any advice on equipment is appreciated.

I have Nest Thermostats and Nest Protect (smoke/carbon monoxide detectors) I have one near my downstairs unit and upstairs. If the carbon monoxide goes off it shuts my systems down.
I don’t have a way to automatically shut off my water heater but I get an alert on all my devices if there is an alert. Plus of course they sound in the house if you are home.
They are not quiet in the least.

A sad occurrence when it happens, of course. Not a problem with me--my vehicles have a physical key for starting/running and I have to remove them when I get home because my house key is on the same ring. The newer car (2006) does give an alarm if I open the door with the key in the ignition.

flashguy

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Originally posted by 08 Cayenne:
I've been driving keyless cars since 2010. As long as you keep your key in your pocket the car will alarm if you exit if it is running.

Not true for all cars.

I can see how it could happen if you got distracted or were diverted.

It seems that an automatic shut down in 15 minutes (or some number) would be wise.

My 2016 Tacoma has this annoying beep if you get out while the engine is running. I get to hear it every time I stop to get the mail.

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Originally posted by jhe888:
I can see how it could happen if you got distracted or were diverted.

It seems that an automatic shut down in 15 minutes (or some number) would be wise.

Fun and games until someone's dog dies because the car and AC shutoff on a hot summer day.

Carbon monoxide detectors in the home, good door seals between home and garage with operating door closers, and floor level garage vents, would have prevented this.

If manufacturers want to do something, then an engine cutoff when vehicle interior CO levels reach a certain point might work, presuming the vehicle cycles in air for the outside into its interior.

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Originally posted by hile:
I want to be able to lock the car with the keys in the ignition (in my 12 year old pickup, I still have to lock it with the second key I'm carrying.) If I'm stopped at an accident scene, for example, I want to be able to leave the car running.

You can leave a keyless ignition car running while locking the doors as long as the fob is in your pocket.

“I know modern engines can be pretty quiet, but how the hell do you have a motor vehicle running in a residential garage and not notice it?”

Loud pipes save lives.

We had a Lexus that was keyless. I thought it was a solution to a non-existent problem.

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Originally posted by arfmel:
We had a Lexus that was keyless. I thought it was a solution to a non-existent problem.

That's your Y chromosome talking.

Seriously, for the wimmens it's much more convenient not to have to rummage around in their portable luggage for a key each time and instead just hop in, toss that sack in the seat and hit a button!

In fairness, I have to admit I much prefer not having to get keys in and out of my pockets as well to unlock, start, lock a car. Also don't have cars all scratched up from keys swinging around the dash or (or for us old farts) steering column.

Necessary - no.
A pleasant luxury in our pampered lives - sure!

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Originally posted by Aeteocles:

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Originally posted by jhe888:
I can see how it could happen if you got distracted or were diverted.

It seems that an automatic shut down in 15 minutes (or some number) would be wise.

Fun and games until someone's dog dies because the car and AC shutoff on a hot summer day.

Carbon monoxide detectors in the home, good door seals between home and garage with operating door closers, and floor level garage vents, would have prevented this.

If manufacturers want to do something, then an engine cutoff when vehicle interior CO levels reach a certain point might work, presuming the vehicle cycles in air for the outside into its interior.

Put an override on the engine off feature. Don't leave your dog in the car like that anyway.

My BMW has keyless start. I have sat in it for extended periods working on my laptop while waiting for an appointment outside a customer facility. After a period of time I get a message on the information screen that the car will shut of soon and I must tap the break to avoid the auto shutoff. Seems like a logical feature for this set up, I guess I assumed all keyless start cars would have that feature.

If you are performing an action; look for a reaction. When I hit the button, the tach drops to zero. If it doesn't, I might need to think.


If I open the door and the sound system keeps on playing, something is way wrong. I probably need to think.

Like I told my kids millions of times, "watch what you are doing". There could be a significant bad outcome.

Then don't come whining to me...

I guess if you leave your kid in the car on a summer day you can blame me t on the key fob. If I would have had a key It would register that I am locking my kid in the car because a button doesn’t do it.

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Originally posted by Aeteocles:
If manufacturers want to do something, then an engine cutoff when vehicle interior CO levels reach a certain point might work, presuming the vehicle cycles in air for the outside into its interior.

Have the CO detector shut off switch sample both interior and exterior levels to protect against external accumulation and/or an exhaust leak into the interior which also sometimes happens.

Our newly minted millennial tech 1 brought a Prius in for a service and neglected to hit the kill switch before putting it in the air. Right after he removed the oil filter the engine started and gave him a nice douching. Many laughs were had at his expense.

People were dying, and still are, before the keyless systems were here.

It's not the inanimate object. It's the persons neglect that does it.

Bob

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Originally posted by ChuckWall:
My SIL has one. Once she stopped at home to change clothes, left the key in her other pants. The car started cuz the key was still in range. But when she got to downtown Chicago, turned it off and locked it, she was done. Had to go home with a friend and get the key to get her car back. I quit thinking keyless starting was cool that moment.

That's surprising. My wife's Hyundai can tell if the key is inside or outsideof the car, and will not start if the key is outside. Conversely, it will not lock from the outside if the key is inside (you get a loud tone instead). But the person withthe key can get out, and the car will keep running. You just don't be able to start it.

I went toa museum with my cousin, and on our way back to the parking garage, he couldn't find his (old fashioned) keys. We figured he'd locked them is the car. When we got back to it, we discovered the keys inthe ignitionand the engine had been running the whole time. No technology will save us from ourselves.

As mentioned... they make this thing you can put in your house called a Carbon Monoxide detector..... should be installed right with the smoke detector and then hopefully never go off.... but then the same folks that will leave their car running in the garage are probably the same folks that install vent free gas logs in their fireplace for extra heat and can't have the time to read the first part of the instructions that says you have to have a window or door cracked when operating them.

People do striped shit all the time. People do drugs, people smoke, people jump head first into shallow water. Why should we get all exercised about this? Often in our modern world the effects of stupidity are muted or blunted. In the seemingly rare cases where the direct results of stupidity are brutal and final many people seem to take pity on the stupid and try to find someone or something else to lay responsibility on instead of the stupid. There is no effective way to prevent stupid behavior, nor should we try past counseling our young because they can’t help being stupid. All of the protection and mitigating of the damages of stupidity has done nothing more than dramatically increase the amount of stupidity. In some cases if you are lucky enough to be injured while doing something stupid there is a lawyer who can get you a large cash settlement, thus rewarding stupidity. We don’t need smarter cars, we need smarter people who won’t leave them running in the garage.

I'm thinking we need a new law, one that prohibits people from leaving cars running while parked in an enclosed structure.... and mental health checks, because someone who is depressed might do something rash using these keyless starting systems, a kid could get to it...