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I have a F U Conversation with a liberal Philadelphia Inquirer reporter and need a link to shove up her giggy.... Thanks! | ||
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Her Printed quote "Americans are 10 times as likely to be killed by a gun than in other developed counties - where there are also cars. When compared to 22 other high-income countries, the US gun-related murder rate is 25 times higher. It is a huge public health issue and it is time it should be treated like one." | |||
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I remember seeing that study she's referencing, the caveat was that if you threw out Chicago and a couple other major cities, that number dropped like a rock. __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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http://www.politifact.com/trut...correctly-compare-i/
__________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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So? If women were really concerned about this, wouldn't they be jumping ship and moving to safer countries? flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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Give Terry McAuliffe a call _______________________________________________________ despite them | |||
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Why do you need statistics and facts in a F U argument? Just find more clever ways of insulting the other person and their entire belief system. If you're looking for facts: Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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Lott's credibility is worthless, to anyone that actually bothers to look into his past. Best to find other sources. ___________________________________________ "He was never hindered by any dogma, except the Constitution." - Ty Ross speaking of his grandfather General Barry Goldwater "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want." - William Tecumseh Sherman | |||
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I agree 100 percent but guns are not the problem. Gangs and inner city violence being the root cause due to broken families, lack of two parent families, parents that don't give a shit about their children beyond being a welfare check, community members that turn a blind eye to criminal activity, courts that are extremely lenient with violent offenders, complicit city politicians that ignore the violence for votes, democratic liberal policies that have caused all this enslaving generations of families addicted to welfare, and hatred of the police fostered by obama and his ilk. | |||
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Does she differentiate between a symptom (i.e. Gun violence) and a cause (i.e. Drug gangs, etc)? I know she doesn't. Liberals, what more need be said? After she eliminates the Second, what right would she like to have eliminated next? Once the 2nd is gone, the rest will follow.... "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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Really? Explain please. Thanks, Sap | |||
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Agreed. Inquiring minds want to know. ---------------------------------------- Death smiles at us all. Be sure you smile back. | |||
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I think he is referring to last August's article by the commie rag Think Progress. You know, the people who have lied for years about crime statistics, gun statistics, economics, etc. I discarded it because liberals project (i.e. liberals commit fraud so they think everyone else does) and they're children (i.e. you called our bogus study bogus so we'll call your academic legit study bogus). Here is what ThinkProgress has to say about themselves:
Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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His Royal Hiney |
You have to understand that the "gun violence" statistics used by liberals is arrived at by adding up three separate statistics kept by the FBI - statistics for criminal gun homicides, justifiable homicides, and guns by suicides. The last time I looked, Alaska was one of the states that had the most gun rights. It also has the lowest statistics for criminal gun violence. But when you add up the suicides by guns, it goes to the top of the list of gun violence correlated with gun rights. But if you look at what kind of a place Alaska is, you'd understand it has a high rate of alcoholism, depression, etc. which correlates with a high rate of suicide. Simply because guns are more available and its effectiveness, you can see why it's the choice. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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| Armed and Gregarious |
You would be wrong. His dishonesty was exposed, and he admitted to part of it, more than a decade before your citation was published. ___________________________________________ "He was never hindered by any dogma, except the Constitution." - Ty Ross speaking of his grandfather General Barry Goldwater "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want." - William Tecumseh Sherman | |||
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The truth about Lott's lack of credibility: http://reason.com/archives/200...mystery-of-mary-rosh . . . consider the case of John R. Lott, author of More Guns, Less Crime, which argues that concealed-carry gun laws reduce crime. In 1999 the sociologist Otis Dudley Duncan questioned Lott's claim that "if national surveys are correct, 98 percent of the time that people use guns defensively, they merely have to brandish a weapon to break off an attack." The major research on defensive gun use, Duncan objected, had shown firing rates ranging from 21 percent to over 60 percent. Lott replied that "national surveys" actually referred to his own heretofore unknown survey of 2,424 households. When Duncan pressed him for the survey data, Lott demurred, saying a hard drive crash had destroyed his data set and the original tally sheets had been lost. In fact, there seemed to be no record at all of the study, nor could Lott recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Some people began to suspect the study, which is tangential to Lott's conclusions in More Guns, didn't exist. . . . . . Meanwhile, several of the bloggers who had been writing about the controversy -- a group that included me -- drew the ire of someone called Mary Rosh. Rosh, who identified herself as a former student of Lott's who had long admired his fairness and rigor, said that it was irresponsible to post links to the survey debate without calling Lott first. This sounded odd, not only because bloggers very seldom do that kind of background research before posting a link, but because Lott had made precisely the same criticism several times in e-mails to bloggers covering the story. A Google search revealed that Rosh had for several years been a prolific contributor to Usenet forums, where she regularly and vociferously defended the work of Lott. On a whim, I compared the I.P. address on Rosh's comment to the one on an e-mail Lott had sent me from his home. They were the same. I posted all of this, and to his credit Lott confessed. "The MaRyRoSh pen name account," he explained, "was created years ago for an account for my children, using the first two letters of the names of my four sons." The news spread quickly, and the second round of distributed investigation began. Bloggers unearthed old posts by "Rosh" and linked to them on their sites. Among the gems: "[Lott] was the best professor that I ever had....Lott finally had to tell us that it was best for us to try and take classes from other professors more to be exposed to other ways of teaching graduate material." Many were troubled by Rosh's apparent attempt to get an online interlocutor, who claimed to have anonymously peer-reviewed one of Lott's papers, to reveal his identity. (Lott later told The Chronicle of Higher Education that he was merely trying to force his opponent to confess that he had lied about being an academic.) . . . ___________________________________________ "He was never hindered by any dogma, except the Constitution." - Ty Ross speaking of his grandfather General Barry Goldwater "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want." - William Tecumseh Sherman | |||
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Many Pro gun people choose to ignore the info above because they like what they hear from him, rather than insisting on research from someone that isn't a proven/admitted liar. ___________________________________________ "He was never hindered by any dogma, except the Constitution." - Ty Ross speaking of his grandfather General Barry Goldwater "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want." - William Tecumseh Sherman | |||
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Thanks, I took some various points and created a polite response and referenced various links. Thanks for the rapid fire responses/links. | |||
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