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Someone mentioned airlining with a firearm in which you ave a lock and the only key. This is incorrect. You are only allowed TSA approved locks, which means locks easily opened by TSA with universal access.


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Originally posted by sns3guppy:
Someone mentioned airlining with a firearm in which you ave a lock and the only key. This is incorrect. You are only allowed TSA approved locks, which means locks easily opened by TSA with universal access.


https://www.tsa.gov/travel/tra...earms-and-ammunition

"Firearms must be unloaded and locked in a hard-sided container and transported as checked baggage only. As defined by 49 CFR 1540.5 a loaded firearm has a live round of ammunition, or any component thereof, in the chamber or cylinder or in a magazine inserted in the firearm. Only the passenger should retain the key or combination to the lock unless TSA personnel request the key to open the firearm container to ensure compliance with TSA regulations."

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Fedex the equipment out ahead of you?


Good idea.




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Only the passenger should retain the key or combination to the lock unless TSA personnel request the key to open the firearm container to ensure compliance with TSA regulations.
TSA personnel can "request the key to open the firearm container" until they're blue in the face, but the regs clearly state that the passenger MUST NOT relinquish the key (or combination). Passenger must unlock the case, if requested by TSA, but passenger MUST retain possession of the key. Key may NOT, by law, be relinquished to TSA. The lock that is used MUST NOT be a "TSA" lock. Passenger must be the ONLY one who is able to unlock the case.



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Well it was an idea, not a good one, but an idea.

Got a quote from Victor Private Jet Charter, roundtrip on a 9 passenger Gulfstream G200, $42k. Looks like we're shipping or dealing with the TSA...




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You could rent a passenger Transit van, or two, split the driving and have plenty of room for gear for much less than charter. Disappointing but it isn't all Hollywood and caviar.




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What happened to your friend is pretty rare. The chances of the same thing happening to you also would be very slim, about as slim as winning the lottery
 
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What happened to your friend is pretty rare. The chances of the same thing happening to you also would be very slim, about as slim as winning the lottery

Unfortunately it is not. Off the top of my head I have first hand knowledge of 6 archers who have had equipment lost, damaged or stolen in the last year while flying to different events.




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Unfortunately, at that range even empty legs get very expensive.

What catches many off guard about chartering an aircraft is that you aren't just paying for point a to b. You are covering every expense the aircraft and crew are going to encounter. Large groups flying across the country staying for a few days will easily reach six figures.

I once had someone request a charter for their extended family from Cleveland to Hawaii for a week. The quote was over a million dollars. It didn't go.

Many are astonished when I'll rattle a quote off the top of my head that is five figures. For many it makes sense. I have a business client that travels the country visiting his customers and suppliers and can be home the same day. I have other clients who disdain TSA and have the money to avoid them.

The freedom of schedule and control over your trip and your luggage is very nice. But, comes at a staggering cost.


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For what you’re trying to do, my advice is to buck up & airline over. Of course leave just a bit of fudge in your schedule and any connection times.

It’s ‘usually’ not that bad, only the exceptions. If you happen to fly when there’s a major power outage, hurricane, or extreme weather event, bets are off.
 
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Unfortunately, at that range even empty legs get very expensive.

What catches many off guard about chartering an aircraft is that you aren't just paying for point a to b. You are covering every expense the aircraft and crew are going to encounter. Large groups flying across the country staying for a few days will easily reach six figures.

I once had someone request a charter for their extended family from Cleveland to Hawaii for a week. The quote was over a million dollars. It didn't go.

Many are astonished when I'll rattle a quote off the top of my head that is five figures. For many it makes sense. I have a business client that travels the country visiting his customers and suppliers and can be home the same day. I have other clients who disdain TSA and have the money to avoid them.

The freedom of schedule and control over your trip and your luggage is very nice. But, comes at a staggering cost.


I have a customer with a Emraier 300 jet that self pilots it and flies a lot for business. Probably 150-200 days a year. It costs him $500k a year between just fuel and maintenance. The fuel part of it is around $200k of that. This is all continental U.S. and furthest trip is Fort Lauderdale to Seattle.
 
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You can charter planes from the major airlines as well.

Southwest 737 runs roughly $80,000 coast to coast (one way), or $50,000 for coast/midwest. Much more cost effective than some of the other options mentioned because you can take 150 +/- of your friends along.


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