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John Hawkins
August 26, 2017

Although a donkey fits the Democrat Party well as a mascot, a shifting goalpost would work even better. With liberals, it’s almost always a bait and switch.

Take the Confederate flag, for example.

Back in 2015, liberals demanded that Confederate flags be taken down because Dylann Roof had a picture of one on his Facebook page. Most Republicans, even Southern Republicans, didn’t care all that much about the Confederate flag. So, in South Carolina for example, Republicans voluntarily removed the Confederate flag.

That’s what liberals wanted, right? So, that was it? No, that was the start of the bait and switch.

The Dukes of Hazzard was taken off the air. Confederate flags were ripped down. There were liberals who said that waving a Confederate flag should be considered a hate crime and Southerners in general were attacked as racist. Then people who protested this stupidity were labeled as bigots.

Next the Left moved on to statues. Liberals demanded that the statues be taken down and began to vandalize them. Now, they are taking it further. In fact, the Left has gotten so hysterical about this subject that ESPN pulled an Asian broadcaster by the name of Robert Lee off of a University of Virginia game because there was a controversy over a Robert E. Lee statue. Now, we begin a fight over taking down the hundreds and hundreds of Confederate monuments across the country. After that (and, yes, this part has already started) the battle will be over renaming buildings and streets. Liberals in Memphis literally dug up the graves of Nathan Forrest and his wife; so even removing the corpses of Confederate soldiers isn’t off the table. But that’s it, right?

Wrong.

On my new Twitter account What Liberals Say: Liberals in their own words, you’ll see that New York is discussing tearing down a statue of Columbus and even Grant’s Tomb. Meanwhile, liberals in Baltimore took a sledgehammer to a Christopher Columbus monument and even Al Sharpton came out againstthe Thomas Jefferson memorial.

So, you may think you’re arguing about the Confederate flag or the statue of Robert E. Lee, but liberals are also really arguing about memorials to Columbus, Grant, Jefferson, Washington, Lincoln, you name it.

Furthermore, not only are you never really arguing about what you think you’re arguing about with a liberal, liberals will paint you as evil for continuing to support something they were backing five minutes ago. How many liberals did you hear demanding gay marriage 20 years ago? Almost none. Then, the second Barack Obama changed his mind about it, everyone who disagreed with gay marriage became a gay-hating homophobe. Did you notice the shocking speed with which we moved from “Liberals would never demand that women share bathrooms with men. That’s crazy….” to, “Anyone who doesn’t support men and women in the same bathroom is transphobic”?

Along similar lines, condemning whatever liberals want you to condemn to try to win favor with them is pointless. Go ahead and support their call to take down Confederate monuments. Do that and they’ll then demand that you oppose any sort of efforts to prevent voter fraud. Agree to that and they’ll insist that you admit that you’re racist by default since you’re white. Go along with that and they’ll say you have to vote for whatever tyrannical socialist they run in 2020 to be a good person. Then finally, if you say that’s a bridge too far, they’ll say, “Ha! Knew it! You’re just another one of those white supremacist Republicans!” There is no win/win to be had. There is no honest debate. There’s only a bait and switch designed to elevate liberals at everyone else’s expense.

Let me also note that I am not against apologizing when you’re wrong. I do it. It’s the right thing to do….except when you’re dealing with liberals. Never apologize to liberals. But, what if you’re 100 percent wrong? Still, don’t apologize. Why? Because liberals don’t view apologies like normal human beings. They view even the most sincere apology from a non-liberal as a club they can use to beat you. If you get in the crosshairs of some mob of social justice warriors, you’re a fool if you think that they will let you be because you were big enough to admit you were wrong. To the contrary, they will demand that you be fired, that you be scorned, that no good person could ever have anything to do with you again and they will point to your own apology as absolute proof that they’re right.

Other times, the liberal bait and switch is more insidious. Remember how it worked with Obamacare?

Democrats promised Obamacare would dramatically cut the cost of health care, that people could keep their doctors and plans if they liked them and everything was going to be wonderful, amazing and better in every way. Of course, none of that turned out to be true. Later, after trying to blame the failures of Obamacare on Republicans, liberals admitted that they had to lie to get the bill passed and said we should all be grateful that they did. Besides, everyone knew they were lying, right? Now that the system that they promised would be the best thing ever is falling to pieces, their solution is single-payer health care, which coincidentally turns out to be what many Republicans said they were trying to do all along. According to Republicans, the idea was to design a plan that would fail so they could try to do a full government takeover. That might sound a bit conspiratorial, except as it turns out, that’s exactly what happened. Going along with a bad liberal idea almost inevitably turns out to be a set-up or justification for an even worse idea down the road.

You want intellectual honesty from liberals? You’re not going to get it. Human decency? Fairness? Logic? A consideration of the societal or economic costs of their ideas? Do you even just want them to care whether the programs they propose work or not? You’re not getting any of those things from the vast majority of liberals. All you’re going to get is an unwavering conviction that everything liberals want to do is good because it’s liberal along with baiting and switching until they get their way.

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Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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For some odd reason I was just looking at buying an American made Confederate Flag. Maybe a Gadson Flag too while I'm at it.



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I disagree with only one thing in the article. The Leftists do not deserve to be called Liberals--as per Dennis Prager, they should not be called liberals, because liberals (say in the 50's, 60's) were open-minded. Even allowing for FDR's theft of the term liberal, today's Democrats--almost without exception--are far to the left of FDR, JFK, even LBJ; why even to the left of McGovern, especially after he found out how hard it is to run a business.

What is clear from the behavior of today's Left is that it is not only close-minded and intolerant, but has definite totalitarian tendencies. If they could, they would completely suppress expression of opinion different from the latest fanaticism.


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I don't trust them as far as I can throw them (even the skinny ones).



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So, you may think you’re arguing about the Confederate flag or the statue of Robert E. Lee, but liberals are also really arguing about memorials to Columbus, Grant, Jefferson, Washington, Lincoln , you name it.


Whaaat? Can't happen. The commies tell me that Lincoln was a democrat.
http://www.foxnews.com/politic...ls-abe-democrat.html
 
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I don't think it's bait and switch, it's just they keep moving the goal posts and are never satisfied which is the point of the article.



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And for you folks in Rio Linda, If You Give a Mouse a Cookie....


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The Leftists do not deserve to be called Liberals ....


Why that is not more obvious to everyone is a continuing mystery to me. There is nothing “liberal” about the American left these days. And whenever I hear someone refer to himself as a “progressive,” I immediately autocorrect it to the more accurate “regressive.” When someone on the right uses one of the left’s self-congratulatory terms for themselves, I want to yell at them and say, “Think what you’re saying. That’s not what they are!”




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Originally posted by sjtill:....What is clear from the behavior of today's Left is that it is not only close-minded and intolerant, but has definite totalitarian tendencies....


Seems you know some of my neighbors?? Smile

But you must understand, they are smarter than the rest of us, and the world would be better off if we would just let them take charge.




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They'll always move the goal post so why even bother.



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True. If the goalpost is gonna move, then we're better off if we're the ones moving the goalpost. Momentum always brings with it a certain joy of its own.
 
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I don't think it's bait and switch, it's just they keep moving the goal posts and are never satisfied which is the point of the article.


100% this. It is not bait and switch, since the commies are not only getting their way on the "bait", but getting their way on the "switch".

They are greedy, insatiable liars who get an inch, and demand and get a mile. And then demand another mile.



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Given that our schools have been running on a production line concept, turning out uneducated twits for 3 generations, or more, why is anyone surprised at this turn of events?

Our schools, under FEDERAL GOVERNMENT supervision for a long time, have been turned into indoctrination centers! Not institutions of learning.

And, we must remember that a great many of these "teachers" are products of those indoctrination centers.

about 15 years ago our daughter was upset with her oldest son's report card. (F in 11th grade math). So she went to sit in the class and monitor it. She came out completely baffled and shocked. The "teacher" was Chinese and was anything but fluent in English. Our daughter could not understand a word the teacher said, in class or in the 1 on 1 with her after class.


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I don't think it's bait and switch, it's just they keep moving the goal posts and are never satisfied which is the point of the article.
^^^Bingo. And how do you fight against such behavior? You refuse unwaveringly to allow 'any' movement to the left whatsoever, while relentlessly pushing the country back toward the right. Unfortunately, we need to replace a whole lot of Dem's 'and' Repub's in Washington before that approach becomes possible.


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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
I don't think it's bait and switch, it's just they keep moving the goal posts and are never satisfied which is the point of the article.
^^^Bingo. And how do you fight against such behavior? You refuse unwaveringly to allow 'any' movement to the left whatsoever, while relentlessly pushing the country back toward the right. Unfortunately, we need to replace a whole lot of Dem's 'and' Repub's in Washington before that approach becomes possible.


You fight against it by calling its name. The thing about it is that they use this tactic (with success) in everything from gun control to health care. There is no way that the lefties could pass a total ban on guns, even with a super majority. No way they could. Too many dems that aren't from NY, CA, WA, IL, and MA that would get strung up if they did. So, they have to have a watered down, incremental march toward total gun bans. You do it all at once, there is hell to pay. So, you take it slowly as if no one notices.

We have to point out this behavior to anyone that will listen, each and every time it happens.




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Originally posted by bigdeal:
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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
I don't think it's bait and switch, it's just they keep moving the goal posts and are never satisfied which is the point of the article.
^^^Bingo. And how do you fight against such behavior? You refuse unwaveringly to allow 'any' movement to the left whatsoever, while relentlessly pushing the country back toward the right. Unfortunately, we need to replace a whole lot of Dem's 'and' Repub's in Washington before that approach becomes possible.


You fight against it by calling its name. The thing about it is that they use this tactic (with success) in everything from gun control to health care. There is no way that the lefties could pass a total ban on guns, even with a super majority. No way they could. Too many dems that aren't from NY, CA, WA, IL, and MA that would get strung up if they did. So, they have to have a watered down, incremental march toward total gun bans. You do it all at once, there is hell to pay. So, you take it slowly as if no one notices.

We have to point out this behavior to anyone that will listen, each and every time it happens.


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On a positive note once the Liberals have erased all traces of the Civil War and Slavery from History we can then deny it ever happened and also deny that racial discrimination ever took place.


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QUESTION: What do Liberal Progressives want?

ANSWER: More!


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