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The EU has sole competence for...

Like borders and freedom of travel between member states right? Like the unity and common policy during covid-19?


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Gee, if the EU has sole competence for trade, doesn't that mean that the UK can just bribe Germany and France and tell the rest of Europe to go to hell? That should be easy.
 
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If they had found a common handle for Germany and France, things would have likely gone very much more in their favor. As it is however, both represent different camps in the EU, particularly when it comes to fiscal policy and indeed Union vs. national competences. See previous page where I explained why Germany would have liked to keep the UK in while France is happy to see them go. Politically and economically, trying to buy off both is like trying to buy off both California and Texas to get a favorable deal with the US as a whole; attempting separate deals with Italy or Poland is like agreeing on trade quotas and duties with the State of New York or Massachusetts. That's including account for American domestic partisan politics.

Health and civil protection is one of the fields where the Union has no say at all, except to coordinate and support at the behest of members (in Germany, like the US, the response to COVID isn't even a national rather than a state-level competence). All the complaints about a lack of EU response are akin to "Bush abandoned New Orleans to Katrina because he hates black people", and with the exact same motivations.

Borders come under the somewhat grandiosely-named "area of freedom, security and justice" (home affairs and justice policies) and are a shared competence. External borders are more on the Union side; but like the internal ones are also governed by the Schengen Agreement, which doesn't include all EU members (the UK never was a party, for example), but also some non-members like Norway and Switzerland. The internal borders are generally open, but parties can, and frequently do, re-introduce controls for limited periods in exceptional security circumstances. Which include everything from international summits and sports championships to the refugee and corona crises. The current lockdown is the strictest since the opening in 1995, but like other restrictions is slowly being eased, with farspread lifting expected next month.

 
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“Boris Johnson told EU leaders they have until September to strike a deal amid fears they are 'running down the clock', as crucial Brexit talks are due to resume this week.

Britain has accused the European Union of trying to string out Brexit trade talks in the hope the UK will agree to its terms.

But the Prime Minister has warned that any delays from Brussels will not persuade the UK to extend the transition period past December 31.”

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“Boris Johnson has repeated his threat of walking away from trade talks with Brussels after German chancellor Angela Merkel warned Britain would have to 'live with the consequences' of abandoning close ties.

During a conversation on Saturday with Polish prime minister Mateusz Morawiecki, Downing Street confirmed Mr Johnson reiterated that the UK was prepared to leave on 'Australia terms' if no agreement was forthcoming.

Australia has no bespoke trade deal with the European Union, leading Brexit critics to describe the proposals as akin to leaving on no-deal terms, albeit with a number of mini-deals put in place to allow vital sectors, such as air travel, to continue.”

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I hope Italy leaves the EU.
The whole thing will crumble.



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