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The headline told me it would not go over well at all. School trying to change story.

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Daily Caller Link has pic of assignment & some different information.

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Seventh grade students at a West Virginia middle school were given packets of work wherein they were instructed to write their submission to Allah as their one true god in Arabic calligraphy.

According to The Christian Post, a worksheet in a homework packet handed to students "instructs students to practice calligraphy by copying the Arabic form of the Shahada by hand." The Shahada "is the Islamic profession of faith that declares belief in one true God and Muhammad being a messenger of God."

Mountain Ridge Middle School student Brielle Penkoski brought the work packet home and showed her father, Rich Penkoski, a Christian who runs an online ministry.

"I saw the assignment of writing the Shahada in Arabic. Their excuse was calligraphy," the enraged father told The Christian Post. "I was like, 'Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!' First of all, calligraphy was invented in China 3,000 years prior to Muhammad. The fact that they were trying to get my daughter to write that disturbed me.'"

According to Brielle, the assignment was mandatory and she would receive a consequence if she left it uncompleted.

"I said, 'That is not happening. My daughter is not doing that,'" Penkoski said. "My daughter told me that if she didn't do the assignment then she was going to get a [detention] slip."

Horrified over the assignment from Katherine Hinson, his daughter's teacher, Mr. Penkoski immediately contacted the school's principal, Ron Branch, who contends Hinson never actually assigned the work packet, but that it was "optional."

"There were two calligraphy activities in the packet," Branch wrote in an email. "One involving the Shahada and one that is just English letters in which the students can write whatever they want in calligraphy," Branch explained. "The teacher told the students that they could do these activities if they wanted. I told Mr. Penkoski that the calligraphy activity was optional, but was not assigned. They are reading through the packet as part of the study. The teacher has told her class several times that this is a study of world religions and that she is not trying to advocate for any religion over another. She has told her class that if they had questions about religious beliefs, that those conversations should take place with their parents."

Penkoski, citing past homework assignments concerning Christianity and Judaism, believes the school is merely backtracking and calling the work "optional" only in light of his complaint.

"Why would they print all that out and then tell them they don't have to do it?" he asked. "When they were given a packet [on Christianity], which didn't go into that much detail, they did have to write an essay. So you're telling me they don't have to do it now that I called you on it? It makes no sense and it is not consistent."

"If it was optional, then why was there no option for comparison for Judaism and Christianity? There was no option to recite any of the Lord's Prayer and Ten Commandments. There was no option to write Hebrew," Penkoski continued. "Why is it only Islam?"

"I am curious why the other ones were not optional and the Islamic one was optional," he added. "It only seemed to be optional after I raised objection."​

Branch pushed back: "The units on Judaism and Christianity were about a week-and-a-half. Each of the other units should take about a week. Jesus was taught," he claimed. "The students read the chapter in our textbook that discusses Christianity's belief that Jesus is the Son of God, and salvation. They also discussed the Sermon on the Mount, the Last Supper and Jesus' Betrayal, the Trinity, and the Lord's Prayer, among other topics."

​In the packets on Christianity and Judaism there were "no Bible verses, no reciting the Ten Commandments or the Lord's Prayer," noted Penkoski. "[There's] no practicing writing in Hebrew as compared to the Islamic packet."

"It's one thing to talk about secular, but they cross the line with Islam because they went from the secular aspect of it to the faith aspect of it," he said. "Let's be honest, if they had come home with the Lord's Prayer, we would have atheists suing all over the place."



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The quote below is more probable than the school's "optional" excuse.
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"Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible...and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory."

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This has been going around in e-mails, supposedly occurring in various places, usually in the south, for several years.

I believe we have had several threads over the years.




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Seems like I’ve seen this here on the forum a year or so back? Maybe this one is a new attempt.
 
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Originally posted by tatortodd:
The quote below is more probable than the school's "optional" excuse.
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"Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible...and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory."

-- Abu Hammid Ghazali


So, if you can obtain your objective in telling the truth, then it is wrong to lie. But if you need to lie to get the job done, then you must tell lies. Roll Eyes




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...the school's principal, Ron Branch,
I'm going to go at this a bit differently. Unless 'all' of the students at Mr. Branch's school are reading and doing math at or above grade level, and have a good working knowledge of US history and science, then why are they messing with any of this nonsense? I'd bet most of these kids couldn't write an intelligible paragraph on any topic, so why is the school wasting time on calligraphy? It's no wonder the current crop of HS grads know virtually nothing of any real value when they're handed a diploma.


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They are studying calligraphy but penmanship is no longer taught?
 
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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
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Originally posted by tatortodd:
The quote below is more probable than the school's "optional" excuse.
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"Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible...and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory."

-- Abu Hammid Ghazali


So, if you can obtain your objective in telling the truth, then it is wrong to lie. But if you need to lie to get the job done, then you must tell lies. Roll Eyes
You clearly missed the point of my post.

Abu Hammid Ghazali was a prominent Sunni theologian, and the quote is his summary of the the Islamic principle of al-Taqiyya. The point of my post is it's much more probable that the principal and teacher are lying to further the cause of Islam rather than their lame ass "optional" excuse.



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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
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Originally posted by tatortodd:
The quote below is more probable than the school's "optional" excuse.
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"Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible...and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory."

-- Abu Hammid Ghazali


So, if you can obtain your objective in telling the truth, then it is wrong to lie. But if you need to lie to get the job done, then you must tell lies. Roll Eyes


Bingo. Just like “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. And other tenants of that faith.
 
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I guess I think of this a little different that most. I don't think that this is an outward, group think attempt to indoctrinate children into Islam. I simply do not because rural West Virginia isn't the hotbed of Alhoa Snackbar.

I do believe that this is further evidence of the level of incompetence on public education, and yet another reason that we need to do away with public education. Yes, these people, right up to Principle Skinner are that stupid.




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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:....So, if you can obtain your objective in telling the truth, then it is wrong to lie. But if you need to lie to get the job done, then you must tell lies. Roll Eyes
You clearly missed the point of my post.

Abu Hammid Ghazali was a prominent Sunni theologian, and the quote is his summary of the the Islamic principle of al-Taqiyya. The point of my post is it's much more probable that the principal and teacher are lying to further the cause of Islam rather than their lame ass "optional" excuse.


I wasn't questioning the principal and teacher motivation. You are probably correct. I was questioning the "integrity" of Islamic principles.

Some years ago I went to my required college faculty "diversity" training, we were assigned to diversity groups to discuss and report, by group, ways to promote diversity on campus. The Muslims in the room refused to be assigned to a group, demanded they be all together (and not associate with infidels at that level).

A few years later the Atheist club had a "draw god" day, use sidewalk chalk to draw mocking cartoons in the school square of all deities. The Islamic Club said if anyone mocked them, there would be violence. The college admin defacto response was the atheists could mock all gods except Islam.

A good friend and coworker spent six years as a US military contractor in the Middle East, working with the militaries of various allies in the area. My friend commented that when at home the Muslim soldiers would strictly follow the tenents of Islam. But when away from home, they would party hard, as the religion rules didn't apply more than xx miles from home.

Another good friend from India, born in a "non-practicing" Islamic family. They were Muslim on the outside, but did not live any tenets of the religion. My friend moved to the US, converted to Christianity, his father, still in India, told him "if I ever see you again, I will kill you".

So my point was, from my observation, experience, including that of close associates, Islam, as practiced in the real world, is not an honorable religion.




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I guess I think of this a little different that most. I don't think that this is an outward, group think attempt to indoctrinate children into Islam. I simply do not because rural West Virginia isn't the hotbed of Alhoa Snackbar.

I do believe that this is further evidence of the level of incompetence on public education, and yet another reason that we need to do away with public education. Yes, these people, right up to Principle Skinner are that stupid.


In my surrounds in CA, the purpose of public ed is to indoctrinate youth to be politically correct and politically active socialists. Gaining knowledge and skills to provide for your future is quite far down the list.




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Can you imagine if they wanted to teach Judaism?

Force it on the students even though they may be Catholic, Protestant, Hindi, etc.?

How well would that go over?
 
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More fear mongering.
Look at the sources and do a search.


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They are studying calligraphy but penmanship is no longer taught?


My thought too. But as JALLEN said, this sounds like something I’ve heard before.


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Another case for home schooling or private schooling.
 
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Originally posted by jljones:
right up to Principle Skinner are that stupid.


You take that back!

Not only was Principle Skinner a Vietnam Vet, he was a Green Beret and POW! Big Grin


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Two thoughts:
What would have happened if a child wrote something derogatory in his statement/letter/paper? Would they be punished?
To think that any area of this country is immune from this problem is an incorrect assumption. Here in the Rocky Mountains we have cells/groups of these minded people.
I have seen women in muslim garb in the smallest of local towns; where you would not expect such displays.


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Public schools below collegiate level should not be teaching anything related to religion. That is up to parents. They seem to have enough trouble teaching the basics at a competent level.




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