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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by goose5:
In politics once the genie is out of the bottle it never goes back in. So, if you're not willing to cheat you are unilaterally disarming and consigning your side to defeat ...

So you're suggesting the only way to win in the future is to cheat more effectively than the opposition. "May the best cheater win?"

I have no interest whatsoever in being any part of such an abomination.

It may be a difficult row to hoe, what with opposition from the Democrat party, the dominant media, and various and sundry other leftists, but what must be done is fix the broken process such that cheating can be reduced to a statistically insignificant percentage of the vote.

Otherwise our republic is done for.

ensigmatic: I agree. I'm not interested in a system that requires cheating to win.
I am interested in reducing the cheating to a statistically insignificant percentage of the vote. That's why for the last 20 years or so I get up at 3am every election day and work sometimes till midnight as an election official. I don't want to be a part of any system that requires me to become a better cheater. I would rather fight the next war. Soap Box, ballot box, ammo box. It the ballot box is corrupted it comes down to the ammo box.

It's not that hard to run a clean election. The Dems worked really hard to make sure this election was dirty. They fought photo ID at every step of the process. They flooded the system with mail-in ballots. They've fought signature verification.

1. State issued Photo ID required.
2. Election on election day, in person voting.

Fabulous. So most agree this election there was massive cheating on the order of 7 million votes transferred illegally. You say yourself "The Dems worked really hard to make sure this election was dirty." So to save the Republic our side must remain on the high road. Very well. So, photo ID. Same day voting. Great. With roughly 10,500 voting precincts in 50 states controlled by individual state legislatures how exactly do you purpose to get this done?

It's been suggested that amending the Voting Rights Act with ensured basic safeguards would be appropriate. It was said that this could be done under the equal protection clause.

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Originally posted by goose5:...

Fabulous. So most agree this election there was massive cheating on the order of 7 million votes transferred illegally. You say yourself "The Dems worked really hard to make sure this election was dirty." So to save the Republic our side must remain on the high road. Very well. So, photo ID. Same day voting. Great. With roughly 10,500 voting precincts in 50 states controlled by individual state legislatures how exactly do you purpose to get this done?

You dodged the question. You propose that election cheating is the road we should take from here on?

I don't understand why in some states you don't need I.D. to vote. Every person voting should have to show a Government issued form of I.D. to vote. You need it for just about anything else in life, whether it's to prove to the D.R. that you're the person that matches your health insurance. To pick up a prescription, to drive, to buy alcohol, etc. etc. It should be federally mandated that you need a U.S. government issued picture form of I.D. to vote in all states.

Fair elections aren't really the goal of our leftist friends.

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Originally posted by bdylan:
Fair elections aren't really the goal of our leftist friends.

"Friends"?

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:
I don't understand why in some states you don't need I.D. to vote....

Because of Leftest lies and propaganda.


I agree it should be 100% required.

The "reason" is the fiction that it disenfranchises some folks who, for whatever lame ass reason the left can pull out of their ass, from voting.

The biggest being that it is "intimidating" for the black man/woman to have to go to "whitey's" world, to obtain an ID. You know, racism. As if it is more difficult for a black person to obtain an ID than a white person, so voter inequality.

A great deal of black folk are insulted by that BS, and for good reason.

My hope is that the election process gets a much needed overhaul and remove all the on-ramps to the Fraud Highway where the Big Rigs travel.

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Originally posted by bald1:

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Originally posted by bdylan:
Fair elections aren't really the goal of our leftist friends.

"Friends"?

My bad, bald1. I do realize these folks are hell-bent on destroying the Republic. The lefties need low information voters and they need folks who need their 'help'...the easier voting becomes, the more it helps the lefties.

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:
I don't understand why in some states you don't need I.D. to vote. Every person voting should have to show a Government issued form of I.D. to vote. You need it for just about anything else in life, whether it's to prove to the D.R. that you're the person that matches your health insurance. To pick up a prescription, to drive, to buy alcohol, etc. etc. It should be federally mandated that you need a U.S. government issued picture form of I.D. to vote in all states.

Indiana has it but it's been struck down in other states because of absurd claims of "disenfranchisement" of the poor - who need DL or other State ID for alcohol, cigarettes, check cashing, casino gambling, etc.

Not requiring ID is simply a way to make it easier to cheat and let felons, illegal aliens, and other disallowed people to vote.

The democrats are ALWAYS on the side of election rules that compromise security and make it easier to cheat. And their only justification is the usual one - racism.

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:
I don't understand why in some states you don't need I.D. to vote. Every person voting should have to show a Government issued form of I.D. to vote.

Same goes for anything, gun laws for instance.
United States, but separate!

Government ID should be the standard, but then the left will have to think up new ways to cheat their way into office!

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Originally posted by Excam_Man:

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:
I don't understand why in some states you don't need I.D. to vote. Every person voting should have to show a Government issued form of I.D. to vote.

Same goes for anything, gun laws for instance.
United States, but separate!

Government ID should be the standard, but then the left will have to think up new ways to cheat their way into office!

It seems to me that they have already done that!

flashguy

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
"Acting" being the key term. It it's temporary, then it has to end sometime. Since the state legislature's votes are cast by the Congress that is in office during the election, that would suggest pretty strongly that the election has to be resolved before the end of that Congressional session. And, of course, since it's a "ministerial" (in this case, rubber-stamp) function of the Congress there's no need for that Congress to take a vote to do anything.

The thing is, there's no reason for debate - the House members of each state get one vote for the entire delegation, and that vote is cast according to the majority vote of each state legislature.

Will Nancy try to pull a fast one? That depends on how many drinks she's had. Will Nancy's fast one come back and bite her on the ass? Well, according to Nancy the whole country (and certainly the Dem Party's constituents) are absolutely desperate for another bail out.

They see all that money disappearing when they are out of positions where they can control it.

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Originally posted by goose5:

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by goose5:
In politics once the genie is out of the bottle it never goes back in. So, if you're not willing to cheat you are unilaterally disarming and consigning your side to defeat ...

So you're suggesting the only way to win in the future is to cheat more effectively than the opposition. "May the best cheater win?"

I have no interest whatsoever in being any part of such an abomination.

It may be a difficult row to hoe, what with opposition from the Democrat party, the dominant media, and various and sundry other leftists, but what must be done is fix the broken process such that cheating can be reduced to a statistically insignificant percentage of the vote.

Otherwise our republic is done for.

ensigmatic: I agree. I'm not interested in a system that requires cheating to win.
I am interested in reducing the cheating to a statistically insignificant percentage of the vote. That's why for the last 20 years or so I get up at 3am every election day and work sometimes till midnight as an election official. I don't want to be a part of any system that requires me to become a better cheater. I would rather fight the next war. Soap Box, ballot box, ammo box. It the ballot box is corrupted it comes down to the ammo box.

It's not that hard to run a clean election. The Dems worked really hard to make sure this election was dirty. They fought photo ID at every step of the process. They flooded the system with mail-in ballots. They've fought signature verification.

1. State issued Photo ID required.
2. Election on election day, in person voting.

Fabulous. So most agree this election there was massive cheating on the order of 7 million votes transferred illegally. You say yourself "The Dems worked really hard to make sure this election was dirty." So to save the Republic our side must remain on the high road. Very well. So, photo ID. Same day voting. Great. With roughly 10,500 voting precincts in 50 states controlled by individual state legislatures how exactly do you purpose to get this done?

The only ones who should be excused from actually appearing at the voting booth to vote are military members stationed outside the USA, and those with certified medical reasons which preclude travel to the poll. In which case, a certified poll worker takes the ballot to the person voting, watches it being filled out, and hand carries it back to the poll for counting.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
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You dodged the question. You propose that election cheating is the road we should take from here on?

For the third time. Here is what I think are the right's options. 1. Learn to win beyond the margin of fraud. 2. Devise a system that reduces cheating. 3. Learn to cheat better than our opponent.

A. I'm assuming that many here think Sidney Powell is right that 7 million votes were stolen from Trump and given to Biden. If that's the case I've asked if the left really did this what is going to stop them from doing it again. We've seen when they get a winning strategy they double down on it. They think the ends justify the means. Even if the means are cheating that ends in a win for them they will do it.

B. What is happening in this thread is a natural reaction to losing a presidential race, and the margin of fraud in this election was no larger than any other.

Now I think 1 and 2 should be completely exhausted before 3 is even considered. But, if the Democrats really did cheat to the tune of 7 million votes than 3 should be at least thought about. But, I'm not a Republican so its not for me to say. And, for what its worth I think scenario B is closer to the truth.

goose5,

The margin of fraud in this one was much larger than ever before. This was the first time we've seen hundreds of thousands of ballots injected into the system after counting stopped in a coordinated effort across a half-dozen states.

In 2016 the margin of fraud was whatever the Dominion machines were set for. Probably a 3% swing (6% total) to keep it within reason. Trump won beyond the prepared margin of fraud in that election. In this election they prepared a lot more fraud and had multiple layers of fraud in play.

2020 was a coordinated effort between hundreds, possibly thousands of ideological allies. That isn't something was can allow to continue.

As for your three options, option 1 is impossible because the margin expands as much as the democrats need it to. Option 2 is the preferable one and something we should ALL be actively trying to build. Option 3 is just another way of saying banana republic, which is pretty much where we are if we don't find a way to make Option 2 a reality.

Possibly thousands involved with 6 figures of extra votes across six states. That's a rather big accusation. Much smaller than Sidney Powell's accusation, but still involving thousands of people. Well, if and when any proof surfaces that takes this past the margin of defeat I'll be willing to listen. If this is true thousands of people being involved there is no way this will remain under wraps. So far when merit is involved these suits are getting tossed left and right. My only question is if massive cheating happened why didn't they do the same on the down ballot. That doesn't make any sense. If you're going to go through the trouble why not insure total control?

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Originally posted by goose5:
Possibly thousands involved with 6 figures of extra votes across six states. That's a rather big accusation. Much smaller than Sidney Powell's accusation, but still involving thousands of people. Well, if and when any proof surfaces that takes this past the margin of defeat I'll be willing to listen. If this is true thousands of people being involved there is no way this will remain under wraps. So far when merit is involved these suits are getting tossed left and right. My only question is if massive cheating happened why didn't they do the same on the down ballot. That doesn't make any sense. If you're going to go through the trouble why not insure total control?

Time ....a big factor.

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Originally posted by goose5:
Possibly thousands involved with 6 figures of extra votes across six states. That's a rather big accusation. Much smaller than Sidney Powell's accusation, but still involving thousands of people. Well, if and when any proof surfaces that takes this past the margin of defeat I'll be willing to listen. If this is true thousands of people being involved there is no way this will remain under wraps. So far when merit is involved these suits are getting tossed left and right. My only question is if massive cheating happened why didn't they do the same on the down ballot. That doesn't make any sense. If you're going to go through the trouble why not insure total control?

Just in LA County, CA 8000 cases of fraud by 4 guys and MS-13. This is just one county. https://abc7.com/voter-fraud-h...y-gonsalves/8046531/

By all means keep the gated institutional narrative going. This story reports 8,000 voter registration applications were submitted in a local Hawthorne, California's mayor race. Sounds like the FBI and the local DA is all over this. And, this story doesn't validate one fraudulent vote.

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Originally posted by goose5:
By all means keep the gated institutional narrative going. This story reports 8,000 voter registration applications were submitted in a local Hawthorne, California's mayor race. Sounds like the FBI and the local DA is all over this. And, this story doesn't validate one fraudulent vote.

They were fraudulent VOTER registration applications. No way that those could or would have been used in a national election. Nah, never.