Gunstore Clerk constantly racking the slide of my new Les Baer during FFL transfer

March 11, 2017, 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by DaBigBR:
It sounds like a good educational opportunity to me. Not the "things would have gotten ugly" tough guy shit that is most of this thread, but a "hey, on a high end gun like that, letting the slide slam home on an empty chamber can effect the ignition." Like it or not, not everybody that works in a gun store is a huge and all knowing gun person, and a little bit of education can go a long way. Definitely farther than leading with an ass chewing.

His education should already have reached this basic level if he is to be behind a gun counter handling expensive hardware. Plus, it's not our job to educate him; its the boss's.

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March 11, 2017, 09:07 AM

egregore

A serious breach of etiquette that I would also have taken umbrage to, but don't tell me a couple of "slide slams" did anything to that gun that a 20,000 psi breech explosion could not.

March 11, 2017, 10:45 AM

kent j

If anyone did that to my new gun I would promptly ask them to let me see it then into my waste band it would go till the paperwork was completed. Then after they had stewed on my reaction for awhile I would calmly explained why that had upset me. If I got attitude after that I would have a serious discussion with the owner.

March 17, 2017, 04:19 PM

dkjbama

quote:
Originally posted by egregore:
A serious breach of etiquette that I would also have taken umbrage to, but don't tell me a couple of "slide slams" did anything to that gun that a 20,000 psi breech explosion could not.

Respectfully, on a 1911, damage to the slide or barrel are not the concern when dropping the slide on an empty chamber. BUT, 1911's are special. On a tuned 1911, dropping the slide on an empty chamber also causes the hammer to hit the sear at an accelerated speed which can cause damage the the perfect trigger pull he paid for. It can bang up the engagement surface of the sear.

When the gun is loaded and cycles during firing, the forward slide speed is attenuated by the force necessary to load the cartridge so there is no damage to the hammer and sear.

THAT's why you never drop the slide on an empty 1911. If it were my new gun, I would be very perturbed. I'd be so tempted to tell the clown to go finger-fuck his own guns and leave mine the hell alone.

EDIT TO ADD: At any LGS, aside from the standard safety check, I always ask permission before manipulating the action or dry firing one of their guns. I expect the same courtesy from them on one of mine.

March 17, 2017, 08:06 PM

Floyd D. Barber

quote:
Originally posted by dkjbama:
quote:
Originally posted by egregore:
A serious breach of etiquette that I would also have taken umbrage to, but don't tell me a couple of "slide slams" did anything to that gun that a 20,000 psi breech explosion could not.

Respectfully, on a 1911, damage to the slide or barrel are not the concern when dropping the slide on an empty chamber. BUT, 1911's are special. On a tuned 1911, dropping the slide on an empty chamber also causes the hammer to hit the sear at an accelerated speed which can cause damage the the perfect trigger pull he paid for. It can bang up the engagement surface of the sear.

When the gun is loaded and cycles during firing, the forward slide speed is attenuated by the force necessary to load the cartridge so there is no damage to the hammer and sear.

THAT's why you never drop the slide on an empty 1911. If it were my new gun, I would be very perturbed. I'd be so tempted to tell the clown to go finger-fuck his own guns and leave mine the hell alone.

EDIT TO ADD: At any LGS, aside from the standard safety check, I always ask permission before manipulating the action or dry firing one of their guns. I expect the same courtesy from them on one of mine.

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This, I always ask to check the trigger on a gun I am considering buying. I also remove the magazine first, if the clerk hasn't already and work the slide to check the trigger reset. I hold onto the slide until it is back into the forward position.

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March 19, 2017, 12:21 PM

thunderson

I purchased a sub2000 last week. The shop had several stacked in boxes on special, with one on display on top. I examined the one they displayed and decided to get it. The clerk then took one of the other ones new in box and asked me to check it for the sale. His reasoning,"No sense in you purchasing one that everyone has been messing with." This was a 400 dollar Kel-Tec. NOT a custom gun.

I think I'd have been polite, but I certainly would have said something. You're not over reacting.

March 19, 2017, 12:30 PM

DaBigBR

quote:
Originally posted by flesheatingvirus:
His education should already have reached this basic level if he is to be behind a gun counter handling expensive hardware. Plus, it's not our job to educate him; its the boss's.

And obviously that didn't happen, so again we're left with either being pissed off or, god forbid, trying to make it into something positive.

March 19, 2017, 12:42 PM

bendable

its all in the delivery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e65-wLp1yyI

March 24, 2017, 07:30 AM

SIG 229R

I think I would have asked for the manager or the owner immediately and informed them of what was going on. I would also made it plain that it was not an employees place to play with merchandise that had already been purchased by someone else.

March 24, 2017, 07:54 AM

nhracecraft

quote:
Originally posted by dkjbama:
quote:
Originally posted by egregore:
A serious breach of etiquette that I would also have taken umbrage to, but don't tell me a couple of "slide slams" did anything to that gun that a 20,000 psi breech explosion could not.

Respectfully, on a 1911, damage to the slide or barrel are not the concern when dropping the slide on an empty chamber. BUT, 1911's are special. On a tuned 1911, dropping the slide on an empty chamber also causes the hammer to hit the sear at an accelerated speed which can cause damage the the perfect trigger pull he paid for. It can bang up the engagement surface of the sear.

When the gun is loaded and cycles during firing, the forward slide speed is attenuated by the force necessary to load the cartridge so there is no damage to the hammer and sear.

THAT's why you never drop the slide on an empty 1911. If it were my new gun, I would be very perturbed. I'd be so tempted to tell the clown to go finger-fuck his own guns and leave mine the hell alone.

EDIT TO ADD: At any LGS, aside from the standard safety check, I always ask permission before manipulating the action or dry firing one of their guns. I expect the same courtesy from them on one of mine.

Excellent post....If you don't own it, ALWAYS ask BEFORE Dry Firing, and ALWAYS ride the slide forward!

I always ask permission and expect the same courtesy as well. Unfortunately, common courtesy, along with common sense are not all the common anymore!