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Nullus Anxietas
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Appliance Brad: If you're installing a traditional stop/start pressure-switch system, you might consider popping for a larger expansion tank than will probably be recommended. Less pump cycles = less wear and tear on the pump and some energy savings.

Also, if you're putting together a new system, I seem to recall hearing something in a recent thread about selection of a well pump motor controller being worth some thought as well.

Yeah, I had brought that up, along with some other considerations, but, since he hadn't actually solicited input, I quickly deleted the post.




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watering our livestock


Do you have a local SWCD or NRCS office in your area? If the well is used - even sometimes - as the main supply of water for livestock, there may be financial assistance at your local USDA office.

I have seen them covered anywhere from 50-100% in my area as long as there is a legitimate agricultural reason - such as livestock watering source. Even if that same well provides the home with water, we call that an ancillary benefit.

No different than if we install a pond to stop gully erosion, and the landowner ends up putting a dock and a diving board on it. As long as it stops the erosion for the life of the contract (usually ten years) we really don't care about ancillary benefits.

May not be worth the hassle and time loss to design, contract, and implement, much less dealing with the feds, but these programs exist for a reason. It's not like the government is going to spend it on something wise and resourceful if you don't use it. Wink


Thanks, in fact it was already suggested by a fellow farmer.
Simply put, we do not take government money because it ALWAYS comes with strings attached.


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Appliance Brad: If you're installing a traditional stop/start pressure-switch system, you might consider popping for a larger expansion tank than will probably be recommended. Less pump cycles = less wear and tear on the pump and some energy savings.


We will reuse our current captive air tank plus the new one thus doubling capacity before the pump starts.


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We will reuse our current captive air tank plus the new one thus doubling capacity before the pump starts.

I'm going to assume the existing expansion tank is a "newer" model with a bladder? (If it's not: Bad plan.) If it is: How old is it? They don't last forever. E.g.: We just had to replace ours about four years ago. It lasted 24 years.

My latter point is if you rely on the existing tank as part of your expansion tank capacity and it dies w/in a couple years you'll be faced with more expense than if you'd just bought a new, larger tank now.




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The previous owner to our house didn't play around. despite having a high water table and excellent recharge, he had the well drilled to a whopping 680'; the pump hangs right 420', I know this because when it quit several years ago we had to draw the whole shebang out and lay it out in the yard. From inertial spinning up and down over 25 years, the power cable had worn down and finally broken. The strand that finally let go was literally the width of a piece of lead from a mechanical pencil.

Go as deep as you can afford to go unless it means having to go through a large pluton of bedrock.




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Go as deep as you can afford to go unless it means having to go through a large pluton of bedrock.

Not really. You go as deep as you need to go to get to an aquifer with enough capacity to meet demand. The driller will know when he's found it as he sinks the well.

The deeper the well, the more power required for the same volume and pressure. E.g.: The 1 HP, 18 GPM pump we have is rated for 60 PSI at 18 GPM for the depth of our well. Going significantly deeper would've required more pump to get 18 GPM at 60 PSI.

Btw: You just made another argument in favor of slow-start pumps.




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We will reuse our current captive air tank plus the new one thus doubling capacity before the pump starts.

I'm going to assume the existing expansion tank is a "newer" model with a bladder? (If it's not: Bad plan.) If it is: How old is it? They don't last forever. E.g.: We just had to replace ours about four years ago. It lasted 24 years.

My latter point is if you rely on the existing tank as part of your expansion tank capacity and it dies w/in a couple years you'll be faced with more expense than if you'd just bought a new, larger tank now.


Yup, it's less than 10 years old and a captive air tank
We are country people, farmers. Every house I've owned has had a well and septic. We get kind of familiar with this stuff. Wink


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So the health department is closed to the public but i can e-mail in my permit application and pay with a credit card for a convenience fee or I can mail the application and check and whatever delay there is with the postal service. Can't start to drill the well until the HD inspects our site and gives their blessing.
Well guy was out tonight and we agreed upon a location for the well and how to access our existing connections to the house. Looks like it will be another week before they can start. Argggg!


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