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Son of a goat fucker! I was dismayed this morning to see that Lexington Container Co. is only selling their NATO jerry cans w/ EPA/CARB-compliant nozzles. (They used to sell just the cans and regular nozzles a la carte.) For the inconvenience of having a nozzle I don't want and will immediately throw away, I also get to pay $80 rather than the $49 they used to charge for just the 20L can. I sent them an e-mail and got this quick reply.

Hello Rob,

Thank you for contacting us about our jerry cans.

Now all cans will have to be sold with the EPA/CARB Nozzles (cans and nozzles together) we will no longer sell the cans or nozzles separately or without the EPA/CARB nozzles.

All nozzles will have be the EPA/CARB style nozzles to comply with EPA/CARB LAW, we will no longer sell the older style nozzles.

...

These are the "exact same quality" of jerry cans previously sold but now have to be sold with EPA/CARB NOZZLES and paper warning label.

We understand the EPA/CARB jerry cans sold with the nozzles are priced at $79.99 each and are $10.00 more each 49.99 + 19.99 = 69.98 old style can with nozzle, and not everyone needs more then one nozzle, but for us to comply with EPA/CARB LAW the cans have to be sold with EPA/CARB nozzles.

This is now being strictly enforced by the EPA.

Thanks,

David | Customer Service | lexingtoncontainer@yahoo.com


Customer service is still great. Not their fault. I'm just pissed.

And where in the hell is Scott Pruitt on this one?!

Anyone who has ever poured gas knows damn well that EPA/CARB compliant is .gov code for "spill as much gasoline outside of the fuel tank, on the ground, on your clothes as possible".

Fuck.

-Rob




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I finally gave in and bought the No-Spill gas can. Now my blood pressure doesn't spike when filling up the mower.



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I finally gave in and bought the No-Spill gas can. Now my blood pressure doesn't spike when filling up the mower.


Never heard of them but I like it a lot.

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I just bought 4 - 5 gallon jugs. I like them so much, I bought a set for my parents too.

https://www.amazon.com/VP-Gall...words=vp+jug+red+set

I also have 1 of these from years ago, and I would've bought more, but they didn't offer a multi-can discount (with filler hoses)...

https://www.amazon.com/Scribne...cribner+jug+5+gallon
 
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A Justrite type 2 safety can is still my choice for fuel storage and dispensing. They have different colors, yellow for diesel, blue for kerosene, and red for gasoline. Of course, they don't fit too well in jerry can carriers.
 
The best jerry cans, in my opinion, are the Scepter ones made for our military, but you have to find a source for the original ones made in Canada. I see Scepter is now selling a CARB compliant version for the US consumer market.
 
 
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That sucks. I'm glad I bought mine a year or so ago.

I still wanted to get a small one for gas-oil mix. Mad Thankfully, you CAN still find compatible pour spouts on Ebay that don't have the carb BS.

Most of the Scepter US distributors are GOV/MIL only for the non-carb version. ::sigh::


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That sucks. I'm glad I bought mine a year or so ago.

I still wanted to get a small one for gas-oil mix. Mad Thankfully, you CAN still find compatible pour spouts on Ebay that don't have the carb BS.


There are a few resellers on Amazon selling the NATO-style nozzles as well (in various colors). I'm going to pick up a few extras soon.

As for the no-spill, VP, Justrite, Eagle, etc. - I've never spilled fuel using a jerry can and nozzle. I've never NOT spilled fuel using any kind of EPA-friendly plastic can.

-Rob




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The VP and Scribner jugs I linked to are not EPA type. They are just a plain flexible tube.
 
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Originally posted by 1967Goat:
The VP and Scribner jugs I linked to are not EPA type. They are just a plain flexible tube.


If I fill them, hold them upside down, and shake them around a bunch, will they leak? At all?

My NATO jerry cans won't.

-Rob




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Slight drift/EPA rant.

EPA has brought us "low water use flush toilets", These gas can nozzles, low VOC paint systems, various hydrocarbon based engine changes and "electric" cars, to name only a small few.

Every one of them, in normal use, result in the same or greater negative impact to the environment that they supposedly help.

For example(s);

The gas can nozzles cause more fuel to be spilled trying to use them, that the "prevented" spills. I have yet to be able to pour 16 oz of gasoline into a mower without spilling about 20% on the mower/ground every time I tried to use them. So I remove the damned thing, use a funnel and pour all the gas into the tank without spilling a drop.

Flush toilets. Yep, 1.6 gallon weak assed, dribbling water-can't-move-a-mouse-turd-down-the-hole, resulting in multiple flushes and leading some folks to circumventing the design to dump more water per dump down the dumper.

Low VOC paints requiring multiple re-paints and increased efforts (as well as introducing more crap into the environment as a result) than the systems and formulas that worked, Ass well as failed painted surfaces with flaking/lost paint, and repaints.


"Gasahol" and the ruined engines, pour economy, the "additives" market and the lack of control of how much crap people pour into the tank trying to mitigate the damage that "E-blends" cause, including the impact to the environment in rebuilding and repairing engines and the subsequent waste.

Then there is the impact to the environment of producing, and the "birth to death" of batteries and the manufacturing processes.

And all of these and more, resulting in the farming out of work, manufacturing and so forth to third world countries that don't give a single shit as to the damage that their methods and procedures to mine, and produce the goods we are now required to have, at a cost we can afford due to the added taxation, impact fees, cost of regulation, ad nauseam.

It is all like carbon monoxide, the silent killer, insideous and sneak up and kill you while you sleep.




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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
Slight drift/EPA rant.

EPA has brought us "low water use flush toilets", These gas can nozzles, low VOC paint systems, various hydrocarbon based engine changes and "electric" cars, to name only a small few.

Every one of them, in normal use, result in the same or greater negative impact to the environment that they supposedly help.

For example(s);

The gas can nozzles cause more fuel to be spilled trying to use them, that the "prevented" spills. I have yet to be able to pour 16 oz of gasoline into a mower without spilling about 20% on the mower/ground every time I tried to use them. So I remove the damned thing, use a funnel and pour all the gas into the tank without spilling a drop.

Flush toilets. Yep, 1.6 gallon weak assed, dribbling water-can't-move-a-mouse-turd-down-the-hole, resulting in multiple flushes and leading some folks to circumventing the design to dump more water per dump down the dumper.

Low VOC paints requiring multiple re-paints and increased efforts (as well as introducing more crap into the environment as a result) than the systems and formulas that worked, Ass well as failed painted surfaces with flaking/lost paint, and repaints.


"Gasahol" and the ruined engines, pour economy, the "additives" market and the lack of control of how much crap people pour into the tank trying to mitigate the damage that "E-blends" cause, including the impact to the environment in rebuilding and repairing engines and the subsequent waste.

Then there is the impact to the environment of producing, and the "birth to death" of batteries and the manufacturing processes.

And all of these and more, resulting in the farming out of work, manufacturing and so forth to third world countries that don't give a single shit as to the damage that their methods and procedures to mine, and produce the goods we are now required to have, at a cost we can afford due to the added taxation, impact fees, cost of regulation, ad nauseam.

It is all like carbon monoxide, the silent killer, insideous and sneak up and kill you while you sleep.


Results don't matter. They get to feel good they are "doing something".

What problem are these new gas cans solving anyways? Serious question. I really don't understand the purpose.



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Originally posted by 1967Goat:
The VP and Scribner jugs I linked to are not EPA type. They are just a plain flexible tube.


If I fill them, hold them upside down, and shake them around a bunch, will they leak? At all?

My NATO jerry cans won't.

-Rob


Curiosity go the better of me, so I went out to my garage and tested it. The VP cans, sans spouts, do not leak if held up side down and shaken (with a full 5 gallons of gasoline in them).
 
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Originally posted by BurtonRW:
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Originally posted by 1967Goat:
The VP and Scribner jugs I linked to are not EPA type. They are just a plain flexible tube.


If I fill them, hold them upside down, and shake them around a bunch, will they leak? At all?

My NATO jerry cans won't.

-Rob


Curiosity go the better of me, so I went out to my garage and tested it. The VP cans, sans spouts, do not leak if held up side down and shaken (with a full 5 gallons of gasoline in them).


That's honestly pretty impressive. I've never encountered a can that would seal that well (other than the jerry cans). If it comes to it, I suppose I'll have to look at them in the future.

Thanks for the effort!

-Rob




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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N24F44H?psc=1

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The nozzles are the correct 'non-compliant' kind. not sure about quality, though. Not enough detail in the description. There are some truly crappy knock off "NATO-style" jerry cans out there. Thin steel, poor welds, cheap coatings, etc.

-Rob




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I have easily spilled more gas on the ground using the stupid EPA-compliant nozzles than I did in 30+ years using the old style. It's ridiculous.


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It gets even better. CONNOSHA (CT state osha) requires us to use metal gas cans with a "device to stop fuel flow when released by the user" So all I can buy at Home Depot is a shitty plastic EPA mandated can with a spout that pours fuel, which disregards the osha mandate. Or I can buy an osha compliant can which violates the EPA standard.
 
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They may be claiming the EPA is "mandating them" but in reality are just trying to make more money off their customers.


 
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Originally posted by PASig:
They may be claiming the EPA is "mandating them" but in reality are just trying to make more money off their customers.


I was curious about that, but hadn't gotten around to looking it up yet. Could it really be that fans have to be sold with nozzles? In point of fact, it seems that every reputable retailer of quality jerry cans is only selling them this way now.

-Rob




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I hate those damn things with the white hot passion of a thousand burning suns!



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