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The reindeer's name is Donder.

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December 23, 2018, 09:41 PM
DMF
The reindeer's name is Donder.
Despite what the Rudolph movie would have you believe, the name is Donder, not Donner.

The poem, "A Visit From St. Nicholas," better known as " Twas the Night Before Christmas, " by Clement C. Moore, was written more than a century before anyone created the story of Rudolph. Moore gave the original list of the eight reindeer, and the name is Donder.

https://twasthenight.org/poem/

" . . . More rapid than eagles his coursers they came, And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name; “Now, DASHER! now, DANCER! now, PRANCER and VIXEN! On, COMET! on CUPID! on, DONDER and BLITZEN! To the top of the porch! to the top of the wall! Now dash away! dash away! dash away all!”"


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December 23, 2018, 09:48 PM
GaryBF
Oh, no! My childhood was all a lie. Eek
December 23, 2018, 10:08 PM
sigfreund
Well then, if we’re going to insist on the original Dutch for thunder and lightning, it should be Donder and Bliksem. Wink




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December 23, 2018, 11:08 PM
whanson_wi
At least it wasn't "Dander". The crap really shows up on a red suit.


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December 24, 2018, 08:21 AM
ffips
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December 24, 2018, 10:51 AM
egregore
I like to say no knowledge is ever useless, but this comes pretty close.
December 24, 2018, 11:03 AM
sjtill
For some reason Clem Moore’s autocorrect changed Donner to Donder. Donner und Blitzen are Thunder and Lightning in German, as the OP I’m sure knows well. I rest my case.


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December 24, 2018, 11:07 AM
Scurvy
Donder got changed to Donner when Ze Germans got a hold of it.
December 24, 2018, 11:40 AM
.38supersig
Sure. Next thing you are going to tell us is that on The 12 Days of Christmas I was supposed to get five ringed pheasants? I can't take birds to the pawn shop.




December 24, 2018, 12:09 PM
trapper189
Dunder and Blixem from the original 1823 publication.
December 24, 2018, 01:09 PM
sigfreund
Based on an Internet translator and my German/English dictionary, Blitzen means “flash,” as in flashbulb, not lightning. Blitz is lightning, but of course the “en” of Blitzen is necessary to make it rhyme with Vixen. Left alone in the Dutch, none of that would have been necessary.

Ah, the things we learn here. Smile




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December 24, 2018, 02:17 PM
ShneaSIG
Where I grew up, they were "Hey You, Who'se it, What's it, Whatchamacallit, Git, Scram, Sunovabitch, and Dammit!"


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Oh, by the way, which one's "Pink?"
December 24, 2018, 03:08 PM
trapper189
quote:
Originally posted by ShneaSIG:
Where I grew up, they were "Hey You, Who'se it, What's it, Whatchamacallit, Git, Scram, Sunovabitch, and Dammit!"


I thought those were your siblings.
December 24, 2018, 06:22 PM
RichardC
Its 'Donner.' Here's the documentation:

It's like, Santa Claus used ta have this really charp chort, man, y'know? It was lowered to da ground, had twice-pipes, candy-apple red and button top. Oooo, clean!
TC: Hey, that sounds like a hip snowmobile, man.
CM: No, no, it wasn't a snowmobile; it was a sled, y'know. One of those big sleds, y'know? And he used ta have it pulled by some reindeers, y'know, like, reindeers?
TC: Some what, man?
CM: Some reindeers, y'know. He used ta hook them onto da sled and then he used ta stand up inside da sled and hold on to da reins and then call out their names, like, "On Donner! On, Blitzen! On Chewy! On Tavo! C'mon, Becto!" And then, the reindeers used ta take off into da sky and fly across da sky, man!
TC: Wow, man! That's far out, man!


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December 24, 2018, 06:23 PM
RichardC
Yeah! And then, when they flied across da sky, they used ta come down to places like, oh, Chicago, L.A., Nueva York and Pacoima and all those places, y'know, and then land on top of people's roofs and then 'ol Santa Claus would make himself real small, y'know, like, a real small guy, and he'd come down da chimney and then he would give you all da stuff that he made, man. And... dig this, man... he did it all in one night, man!
TC: Hey, just a minute, man. Now, how'd he do that, man?
CM: Oh, well, man, he took da freeway. How else, man?
TC: No, man. No, man, how'd he do all that other stuff, man? Like, how'd he make himself small, man. And, how'd he, like, how'd he get the reindeer off the ground, man?
CM: Oh, well, man, he had some magic dust, man.
TC: Some magic dust?
CM: Yeah, magic dust, y'know? He used ta give a little bit to da reindeer, a little bit to Santa Claus, a little bit more for Santa Claus, a little bit more...
TC: And this would get the reindeer off, man?
CM: Aw, got 'em off, man? Are you kidding, man? They flew all da way around da world, man!
TC: Hey, that's far out, man! Hey, how come I've never met this dude, man?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tb4ck9AY_Y


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December 25, 2018, 11:55 AM
ShneaSIG
quote:
Originally posted by trapper189:
quote:
Originally posted by ShneaSIG:
Where I grew up, they were "Hey You, Who'se it, What's it, Whatchamacallit, Git, Scram, Sunovabitch, and Dammit!"


I thought those were your siblings.


Some of them are cousins!


-ShneaSIG


Oh, by the way, which one's "Pink?"
December 25, 2018, 11:08 PM
detroit192
What about Olive the other Reindeer?




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January 01, 2019, 12:16 AM
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Well, there goes the party... Big Grin


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January 01, 2019, 07:55 AM
sigfreund
quote:
Originally posted by detroit192:
What about Olive the other Reindeer?


Oh, boo, hiss!
I’d never heard that one before (and I just figured it out), but now I’m stuck with it. Wink




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“Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.”
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January 01, 2019, 09:17 AM
C L Wilkins
According to Wikipedia and the book of Hoyle Big Grin

It all depends whether you are reading the book or singing the song.

I get what the OP stated.

In "Rudolf the Red-Nosed Reindeer" the names Donner and Blitzen are correct.

"You know Dasher and Dancer and Prancer and Vixen
Comet and Cupid and Donner and Blitzen"

I suppose the songwriter took artistic freedom.

Rudolf the Red-Nosed Reindeer lyrics

So boys and girls what we were taught as we grew up is actually correct as well. We sang the song more than we read the book. Now we can all breathe a sigh of relief.